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The one thing that pissed me off in Avengers: the Children's Crusade #5

People acting like Vision has no feelings.







Okay, so I gave in. I thought, Cassie's an okay character. Given, my least favorite character, but an okay character nonetheless.

SCRATCH THAT, SHE'S A DICK.

Nate, I forgive, since he's not quite totally aware that 1) Vision got newfangled feelings and humanity and 2) He was dating Cassie. I think.

Cassie, on the other hand, drops Vision like a hot potato as soon as Iron Lad drops in, forgetting that Vision--NO, JONAS, LOVED HER.

:I Cassie, you are dead to me. Dead to me.

....

Okay, rant over. Disregard all that I said up there, or most, anyway, since it's a rage-filled opinionated thingie. Unless, you know, you agree with me, at which point we can rant together.

I know Cassie hasn't done that yet but as of yet, she's still being insensitive to Jonas' feelings. I know she's not a total dick, but she still has dickery tendencies that I cannot let pass without them getting called out.

TBH Cassie's character has not appealed to me all that well. She was cruel to her mother, to her stepfather, she decided after two hours that Nate was her boyfriend... She is a brat. A brat with good qualities, but with the essential qualities of a brat, all the same.

Poor Jonas. He is his own person, dear god, and they treat him like a prop.

.........

And okay, so I laughed at the idea, even the suggestion, that Vision would go to Wanda again. Really, Nate, really?
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Date: 2011-04-07 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.livejournal.com
Ideally for me, this series would end with the original Vision and the new Vision being merged, so we could finally have the right Vision back while not losing the new guy.

Don't get me wrong, Young Avengers has been cute, but I prefer my Avengers "classic".

Date: 2011-04-07 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.livejournal.com
That would be acceptable too.

Cassie crushed on Iron Lad and only went for Vision because he got Nathaniel's personality implanted in him, right? Same way original Vision was based on Simon Williams.

Date: 2011-04-07 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.livejournal.com
You'd think, but I remember what it was like being 14. It's not exactly the most rational age, especially for romances.

Date: 2011-04-07 02:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Ummm... not sure about Nate bringing up the "still married" crap, as A) I was never sure that Wanda and Vision were ever legally married. Viewed each other as husband and wife, absolutely, but not legally married since he was non-human.

And given they had been been separated for years, and Wanda had had more than one relationship since then (Simon for starters, and possibly Cap, if you consider Chuck Austens run to be relevant and my memories of it are correct), it's hardly an issue to dig up now.

Date: 2011-04-07 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
I'm pretty sure they were legally married, there's never been anything that stated they weren't. And given the history of the MU, I doubt they have any major issue with basic rights for non-humans.

Though that said, totally dick move on Iron Lad's part

"Hey, get lost. Aren't you married to wacko-witch? Cassie's my girl now!"

Date: 2011-04-07 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.livejournal.com
It really depends on if the United States of Marvel earth see Immortus as a rightfully ordained minister? He was the one performing the ceremony, and they weren't in the US at the time either (as I recall). I'm not even sure how the legal bit of that works out!

Date: 2011-04-07 02:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
Cassie is 14. All 14yos are insensitive jerks with no impulse control at least some of the time. It's in their contracts.

If she were 24 or even 16 I wouldn't give her a pass, but this behavior is typical at her age. I don't see anything here that normal 14yos don't grow out of.

Date: 2011-04-07 02:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
And given the history of the MU, I doubt they have any major issue with basic rights for non-humans.

Given their frequent treatment of mutants, I wouldn't think itsafe to assume that at all.

Wanda attracted a fair bit of public opprobrium for, in the eyes of some, marrying a machine. Likewise when Vision is seized and dismantled in Byrne's WCA run, the attitude seems to be that he has no actual legal standing as a person, he's still a machine, legally.

Date: 2011-04-07 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Mutants are still allowed to marry and whatnot. Most of what happens to them is because someone is manipulating the law, or flat out ignoring it, not because mutants don't have rights as human beings.

As for Byrne's craptastic treatment of Vision, bear in mind that the operation was an international effort. So all those involved were likely covered by diplomatic immunity or whisked away before any charges could be filed.

...though the Avengers really did drop the ball on holfding anyone accountable.

Date: 2011-04-07 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Maybe she likes Nate's shinier cod piece?

Date: 2011-04-07 03:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Immortus is the absolute ruler of his own 'nation' of Limbo, so he can probably grant himself the rights of a justice of peace which makes him able to perform marriage ceremonies.

So, guess it all depends on how the US of A views marriages performed abroad. In countries which are most often at odds with either the country or the whole world.

Date: 2011-04-07 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.livejournal.com
Is Immortus a legal person in the United States, though? Does he have a legal identity anywhere in the present day earth?

Date: 2011-04-07 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.livejournal.com
"I think I'll take the Black Russian today, Baldric. It always terrifies the clergy."

Date: 2011-04-07 03:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lencannon
I have to say, it is difficult to judge. When you live in a world where dead or otherwise irrevocably lost loved ones can reappear at any time, what is the etiquette regarding relationships? It is a problem we (unfortunately, probably) don't have to worry about.

Date: 2011-04-07 03:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Would he have to be? For the first part, I mean. Is it any different than getting married in Sweden by a Swedish priest/justice of peace? Well, getting the legal documents would be kinda harder though.

The second part might be a problem, if there is a transtemporal clause in the 616 law. It'd be an endless source of grey hairs for the lawyers, at least. Though with Jen and Matt on Wanda's and Vizh's corner...

Date: 2011-04-07 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.livejournal.com
I would imagine he would need to be a legally provable entity in some form of present-day legislation. Sea captains can perform weddings, but they are only legally acceptable as long as the captain has the correct paperwork that he is in fact the captain.

But as you say, it's Marvel earth, there may be a time traveler clause there.

Date: 2011-04-07 03:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dorksidefiker
I'm just hoping someone (Preferably Jonas) CALLS them on their behavior.

Date: 2011-04-07 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Iron Lad does know that Vision is in a relationship with Cassie and that Jonas has his mind. He mentioned that in the oneshot last month. So he's definitely being a dick. He wants Cassie to himself, which is why he brought up the marriage to Wanda.

But to be fair to Cassie she hasn't really cheated on Vision yet. She's been ignoring Jonas and focusing all of her attention on Nathaniel but she never thought she'd see him again and that if she did he'd be a genocidal warlord bent on destroying the Avengers. Hopefully when she makes her choice she isn't a dick about it. And if Iron Lad doesn't stick around, she doesn't go back to Vision as a consolation prize.

I love that Vision was passive aggressive to Iron Lad all issue.

Date: 2011-04-07 04:08 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Actually sea captains can't, unless they happen to be justices of peace as well or ministers/priests though that'd be a bit weirder career combination. But everything else I think we agree on then.

Now I just imagine Jen running after Immortus, who is constantly tripping on his cape, demanding the paperwork.

Date: 2011-04-07 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.livejournal.com
Oh, I gotcha. Seems like the kind of thing Slott would have written for his She-Hulk run, really?

Date: 2011-04-07 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] notactuallyauser
But that's just Iron Lad being a dick - regardless of what would be decided in a hypothetical law court - he knows that Vision's hardly likely to argue that the (old) Vision and Wanda were never legally married, as that would be equivalent to denying his personhood now.

Be interesting to see what Wanda makes of the new Vision. Um, and in fact it'll be interesting to see what Wanda makes of everything.

Date: 2011-04-07 04:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
human flesh = sex. Teenage immaturity and self centeredness + hormones + a choice between a boyfriend with genitals and one without isn't really a choice to most people at that age.
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