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it's that I can give credit where credit is due. I'm not a fan of much of Devin Grayson's output, but she can write a darn good character scene, Jim Lee tends to leave me unimpressed, but he can draw a darn pretty Dynamic Duo from time to time.

And so, in the interests of fairness and honesty I have to say that I liked this inteview up at newsarama

In which Judd Winick speaks about his forthcoming arc on Batman and Robin....

Nrama: But this Batman isn't Bruce. This is Dick. What are Jason's feelings about him?
Winick: Jason hates Dick Grayson. He's the good son; he's the one that worked out; he's the one that "Dad" loves best. For me, there's a philosophy behind Jason and Dick that I haven't had a chance to play out fully. I don't think it's going to play out in this story, because it's probably not the place for it. But I don't mind putting the philosophy out there:

One thing that haunts Jason is that he thinks if Dick Grayson who was the one that was about to die, Batman would have saved him.
And worse, if Dick Grayson was murdered, Jason knows that Batman would have killed Joker. He knows that in his heart.

The dark, dark thing for Jason is that he doesn't feel Bruce's refusal to take revenge on the Joker is just about Batman's morals and code that he won't break. He thinks it's about him. He thinks that if Dick Grayson was the one who was murdered, Batman would have definitely killed Joker.

Nrama
: So what do Dick and Damian think of Jason as they are forced to kind of team-up with him in this story?

Well, you'll need to go to the interview page to read the answer to that, it's only fair to Newsarama. :)

That's a nice summation of Jason Todd's feelings for Bruce and Dick, and expressed more clearly than I think it has been shown in the comics (IMHO of course). Especially the notion that Jason is convinced that if Dick had died, Bruce WOULD have killed the Joker (The events in "Infinite Crisis" where Bruce pulls a gun on Alex Luthor sort of support that, depending on how you read the original scene) This actually makes me want to read the issues to see how it plays out. Kudos to Mr Winick for that.

For context, the cute, how Jason probably views the role of Robin (These were designed by one of my favourite artists Andy Price for Lego Batman T-shirt that alas, they only made in child sizes, because I would wear the hell out of any of them!)




For fun, the sublime, the history of the Robins, in animated form



Which originated here

And for legality, the ridiculous, in the form of a "Context is for the weak" from "Batman: The Cult"



Date: 2011-04-11 07:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
Yes.

Count me as one of the people who thinks Jason has semi-legitimate reasons to feel the way he does.

Even someone who thinks Jason is useless should admit that perhaps then Bruce shouldn't have used him. Because that's what Jason thinks happened, and he is at least half right.

Date: 2011-04-11 08:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
. . . who thinks Jason was useless?

Date: 2011-04-11 09:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] benicio127
A number of people in comics fandom tend to perpetuate this, along with the idea that he was hated by everyone and therefore, that's why he was killed off. Sadly, someone saying "Jason was useless" as Robin or whatever is not a rare comment.

Date: 2011-04-11 10:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
But . . . that's not why he was hated. And technically him being hated wasn't why he was killed off.

Date: 2011-04-11 11:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] benicio127
Well, what I'm saying is those are the ideas that comics fandom perpetuates, and I'm not saying that they're based in reality. But they're still perpetuated.

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