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scans_dailyit's that I can give credit where credit is due. I'm not a fan of much of Devin Grayson's output, but she can write a darn good character scene, Jim Lee tends to leave me unimpressed, but he can draw a darn pretty Dynamic Duo from time to time.
And so, in the interests of fairness and honesty I have to say that I liked this inteview up at newsarama
In which Judd Winick speaks about his forthcoming arc on Batman and Robin....
Nrama: But this Batman isn't Bruce. This is Dick. What are Jason's feelings about him?
Winick: Jason hates Dick Grayson. He's the good son; he's the one that worked out; he's the one that "Dad" loves best. For me, there's a philosophy behind Jason and Dick that I haven't had a chance to play out fully. I don't think it's going to play out in this story, because it's probably not the place for it. But I don't mind putting the philosophy out there:
One thing that haunts Jason is that he thinks if Dick Grayson who was the one that was about to die, Batman would have saved him.
And worse, if Dick Grayson was murdered, Jason knows that Batman would have killed Joker. He knows that in his heart.
The dark, dark thing for Jason is that he doesn't feel Bruce's refusal to take revenge on the Joker is just about Batman's morals and code that he won't break. He thinks it's about him. He thinks that if Dick Grayson was the one who was murdered, Batman would have definitely killed Joker.
Nrama: So what do Dick and Damian think of Jason as they are forced to kind of team-up with him in this story?
Well, you'll need to go to the interview page to read the answer to that, it's only fair to Newsarama. :)
That's a nice summation of Jason Todd's feelings for Bruce and Dick, and expressed more clearly than I think it has been shown in the comics (IMHO of course). Especially the notion that Jason is convinced that if Dick had died, Bruce WOULD have killed the Joker (The events in "Infinite Crisis" where Bruce pulls a gun on Alex Luthor sort of support that, depending on how you read the original scene) This actually makes me want to read the issues to see how it plays out. Kudos to Mr Winick for that.
For context, the cute, how Jason probably views the role of Robin (These were designed by one of my favourite artists Andy Price for Lego Batman T-shirt that alas, they only made in child sizes, because I would wear the hell out of any of them!)
For fun, the sublime, the history of the Robins, in animated form
Which originated here
And for legality, the ridiculous, in the form of a "Context is for the weak" from "Batman: The Cult"
And so, in the interests of fairness and honesty I have to say that I liked this inteview up at newsarama
In which Judd Winick speaks about his forthcoming arc on Batman and Robin....
Nrama: But this Batman isn't Bruce. This is Dick. What are Jason's feelings about him?
Winick: Jason hates Dick Grayson. He's the good son; he's the one that worked out; he's the one that "Dad" loves best. For me, there's a philosophy behind Jason and Dick that I haven't had a chance to play out fully. I don't think it's going to play out in this story, because it's probably not the place for it. But I don't mind putting the philosophy out there:
One thing that haunts Jason is that he thinks if Dick Grayson who was the one that was about to die, Batman would have saved him.
And worse, if Dick Grayson was murdered, Jason knows that Batman would have killed Joker. He knows that in his heart.
The dark, dark thing for Jason is that he doesn't feel Bruce's refusal to take revenge on the Joker is just about Batman's morals and code that he won't break. He thinks it's about him. He thinks that if Dick Grayson was the one who was murdered, Batman would have definitely killed Joker.
Nrama: So what do Dick and Damian think of Jason as they are forced to kind of team-up with him in this story?
Well, you'll need to go to the interview page to read the answer to that, it's only fair to Newsarama. :)
That's a nice summation of Jason Todd's feelings for Bruce and Dick, and expressed more clearly than I think it has been shown in the comics (IMHO of course). Especially the notion that Jason is convinced that if Dick had died, Bruce WOULD have killed the Joker (The events in "Infinite Crisis" where Bruce pulls a gun on Alex Luthor sort of support that, depending on how you read the original scene) This actually makes me want to read the issues to see how it plays out. Kudos to Mr Winick for that.
For context, the cute, how Jason probably views the role of Robin (These were designed by one of my favourite artists Andy Price for Lego Batman T-shirt that alas, they only made in child sizes, because I would wear the hell out of any of them!)
For fun, the sublime, the history of the Robins, in animated form
Which originated here
And for legality, the ridiculous, in the form of a "Context is for the weak" from "Batman: The Cult"
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Date: 2011-04-11 08:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-11 08:26 pm (UTC)Dick is the one he had the highest expectations of because he was the one he worried about most. The fact that Dick managed to exceed those expectations is down to him.
Bruce relaxed a little more with Jason, because after the first one, the rest would be easy, right?
Tim, well, he came pre-raised to an extent the others did.
In some senses, Dick is the one Bruce put the most work into and thus might be proudest of, in his heart of hearts.
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Date: 2011-04-11 09:02 pm (UTC)It's hard to judge Bruce's relationship with Jason, because it was so tempestuous. Early on he was very jazzed about him in that "I have a new kitten" way, and then of course Jason became very unhappy about something or other (it seemed like something was going wrong way before Gloria) and their relationship deteriorated.
It's sad; Jason was the kid who needed the most from Bruce, but he just didn't seem to realise that at all. That he could just scoop him up off the streets and take him home without anticipating a whole ton of baggage that Dick didn't have is one of the... incompatibly bronze-age elements of Jason's story that just don't make sense in the modern era.
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Date: 2011-04-11 10:29 pm (UTC)Jason 1.0 was a little vanilla personality-wise, and a little bit much of a Dick-clone in origin, but with his background, he made a certain amount of sense in terms of the Bat-verse of the time, he had the same skills and motivation as Dick and if one glossed over that, he was a competent trainee hero.
Jason 2.0 could have been a great character, and in many ways could be seen as a precursor to Damian. A scrappy, argumentative, overly-aggressive street-fighting Robin that Batman has to rein in rather than teach to fight, and had to deal more with teaching him when NOT to fight. But they seemed to want to have elements of Jason 1.0 still in there and that made an uneven character.
The retcons since his death making him more angsty and more of a street punk haven't helped. Him smoking as Robin being the first on that springs to mind, that just never works for me as an image, it's trying too hard to make him a "bad boy".