Ultimate Avengers vs New Ultimates #3

[cyberghostface]

To be quite honest, I really don't know what's going on in this series. Basically (I think?) Nick Fury is a traitor doing super soldier experiments with the Chinese and essentially starts a conflict between the Avengers and the New Ultimates. 

Nick Fury enlists the help of the Punisher (who will get free reign to essentially kill everyone in the prison he's currently incarcerated at) in exchange for his help. Or something.

Later, when Captain America is beating the crap out of Fury...

Comments

[shadowpsykie]

i still hate the ultimate verse... aside from Spider-man and atleast this holds true here, (its odd because i like the regular verse and hate spider-man in it...)

i just don't think UPeter should have sacrificed himself for UCap. Our cap, yes, not this one, this one just seems like a waste...

[valtyr]

Ult Peter has a huge hero worship crush on Cap. It's really cute.

[schala_kid]

Peter having a crush on Cap is a constant on almost any universe.

[schala_kid]

Ult Cap is a bit of a jerk but he's not a fucking creep like Ult Hank or Ult Bruce, he's still a decent person (if you don't count the Ult Cap series, whoever made that just decided to make him a xenophobic douchebag).

But he is a good person, take the moments when he's not on the job especially when he is with Bucky and Gail. But I agree that he doesn't really compare to regular Steve, I think because he lacks his humility and harsh life experience from being an orphan and he's more about the battle and doesn't think he has the responsibility of being a symbol or that he has to inspire anyone.

Oh and Ultimate Thor and Tony aren't jerks, as a matter in fact I think they are the most stable of the their group (and boy oh boy if Tony is one of the most stable people in your team then you seriously need to check yourself).

[valtyr]

if you don't count the Ult Cap series, whoever made that just decided to make him a xenophobic douchebag

Oh thank you thank you, I looked up reviews after I read it and CBR was calling it a 'thoughtful story' with 'subtle characterisation' and I was LOLWAT.

I think because he lacks his humility and harsh life experience from being an orphan and he's more about the battle and doesn't think he has the responsibility of being a symbol or that he has to inspire anyone.

I don't think that's entirely fair, though - I think Ult Steve was orphaned when he signed up, and 616 Steve was just about an adult when his mother died. Ult Steve also walked with a cane and was bullied as a child. He's definitely harsher and more ruthless than 616 Steve - but his universe, his context, is much harsher. I think you're right in that he doesn't see himself as a symbol, but I think hedoes still have a great sense of the responsibility he has as America's only super soldier (as far as he knows). He's utterly relentless in his pursuit of what he perceives to be his duty.

[schala_kid]

Ult Steve wasn't orphaned he had his parents and his brother Douglas, before he enlisted, he also had Bucky and Gail. When he arrived in the present day Fury told him what happened to all of them and how they died, including the nephew he never knew (drug overdose) and told him that his only known surviving family member was his niece who was married and had family of her own.

616 Steve's dad was an alcoholic who died when he was a child, his mother was sickly and she died of pneumonia when he was a teenager (early teens since he mentions he was sent to the orphanage in Bru's run and he's shown as being a kid in Reborn).

I'm not saying that 616 Steve's life was harsher (you can't compare people's misfortunes really) but Ult Steve didn't have the same experiences as him. 616 Steve pretty much suffered abandonment at an early age and while he didn't use a cane he suffered disability from being sickly ( this isn't really elaborated enough which sometimes pisses me off).

I think you're right in that he doesn't see himself as a symbol, but I think hedoes still have a great sense of the responsibility he has as America's only super soldier (as far as he knows). He's utterly relentless in his pursuit of what he perceives to be his duty.

Totally agree, he does have that sense of responsibility and takes pride on what he is. He also takes his mission seriously and will fuck up anyone who gets in his way. But really I just like that he's very different from 616 Steve, like you know if some random defenseless punk goes and yells at them they would both react differently.

[valtyr]

Good Lord, you're right - I can't believe I forgot that. (Especially as I used to know that.) Weird we never see anything about them apart from that, really. The orphanage in 616 was a Brubaker retcon, yes?

Not sure I'd characterise parental death as abandonment, though.

I think the two Caps have very different roles in their respective universes and both have quite a realistic view on those roles, and take them very seriously. I like that they're very different too. :)