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I wasn't all that enthused for the new DC retroactive series, but the description for this one caught my eye.

Mike W. Barr did some wonderful work with Jason, and I hope this new comic will remind us that, once upon a time, Jason DID have some upbeat moments and he did have a good relationship with Bruce. Quite apart from my affection for the character, I think painting him as such an obvious bad seed right from the start makes Bruce look like a damn fool for not spotting that. I also prefer characters to be multi-faceted - it's not fun OR realistic to paint Jason as never having known a happy moment or a friendly relationship with anyone in the world ever...



After Jason is shot by the Mad Hatter, Bruce explains to Dr Thompkins why he decided to make Jason Robin.





Bruce tentatively suggests that possible death is better than growing up lonely... (not sure I'm with him on this one, but still very touching in context).








And Jason affirms that being Robin is still what he wants, more than anything.





(I'm not really sure what the significance of the Walt Whitman quote is, other than that the human body is pretty awesome and it's cool that Jason didn't get broken beyond all repair).

I love this comic for being a rare, positive take on Jason-as-Robin that still stays true to his post-crisis origin. It's dark in tone without being gritty, and acknowledges the potentially destructive side of Jason's anger without making anger *all* that he is.

Still, we all know what Jason's direction is right now. Personally, I feel there'll be nothing clever or interesting in constantly dropping anvillicious hints about his dark future, although it wouldn't surprise me if editorial have decided to swing it that way. :/ However, if Barr stays true to his original depiction of both Jason and Bruce then this (56 page! :D) one-shot issue of DC Retroactive: Batman - the 80's should be a delight.

Date: 2011-04-27 11:27 am (UTC)
blackruzsa: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blackruzsa
All the hope they put into Jason's character and BAM, death,
isn't a nice thing to think about.

Date: 2011-04-27 02:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] heckfire
Much as I scream about DCU editorial messing things up, Jason's death WAS the result of a fan poll, remember.

Date: 2011-04-27 02:52 pm (UTC)
blackruzsa: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blackruzsa
Yup,
and I wonder what those fans were thinking D:<
It made a good story, sure, but still.

Date: 2011-04-27 03:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] benicio127
I still think the idea of a company that is trying to produce literary works using a poll to decide the outcome of a character is actually the most ludicrous. On top of that, a number of people wrote in to DC following the vote to say they voted for Jason to die just to see what DC would do.

And I hate how fans claim that the fan vote is what "seals the deal" about Jason's death: "Well, the fans wanted it!" Frankly, Jim Starlin wanted it and he made Jason to be so unlikeable that fans would want it. Even if the vote hadn't happened, Starlin would have found a way for Jason to die.

Date: 2011-04-27 04:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com
Similarly, some people voted that way because they thought it would lead to the death of the Joker.

Funny how Jason's expectation of that is now portrayed as being ludicrous, huh?

Date: 2011-04-27 05:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] benicio127
Ha, that is true!
Like, on the one hand I still think Jason's death is incredibly important to the Batman mythos, but on the other hand, I just hate the manipulation by the writers and I hate that he was literally in SO few comics as his post-Crisis incarnation and wasn't even actually given the chance to evolve or grow like, say, Damian was. Initially, people haaaaaated Damian. And some people still really dislike him. But he has at least been given the chance to grow as a character.
And Jason's growth as a character has become basically.... costume changes. Because somehow the idea of a grey character in the Batverse is a bad idea to some??? (side-eying you, Tony "villains should be villains and I don't like the idea of redemption" Daniel and Dan "He's crossed the line therefore he's a villain now and forever more" Didio)

Whups, I just went to that cynical bad place again....

Date: 2011-04-27 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] screamsheet.wordpress.com
It's worth noting that the fan poll had about 10,000 call-ins with a difference of only 72 votes in the final outcome. So if the poll had a margin of error of even 1%, then the results are in doubt.

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