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So the final issue of Brightest Day came out, wherein we get the grand reintroduction of Swamp Thing to the DCU! Except... not exactly. And I'm really not sure how to feel about this.



Scans from Brightest Day #24, which came out today.


So as we saw in the last issue, the black evil force dealie stuff was using Swamp Thing as the dark avatar, whereas the White Champion was selected to be Alec Holland. Not Swamp Thing, mind you, but the dessicated, crunchy corpse of Alec Holland. The White Lantern recaps his death, and makes an important distinction:





As we see the big, giant, evil Dark Avatar, the Lantern says, "BUT IT WAS ONLY SWAMP THING." At this point, my eyebrows are raised. "Only?" But okay, I read on, seeing the various heroes battle Dark Swampy, while the White Lantern explains its grand plan to Deadman, and why Aquaman, J'onn, Firestorm, and the Hawks were converted into Water, Earth, Fire, and Air elementals:








W... wait. Is anyone else getting the impression here that Johns is saying that Swamp Thing was just a husk that took on imprinted memories, but wasn't actually an individual creature in its own right? Maybe I'm jumping the gun here, but wait, see what happens after Alec Holland is officially brought back to life by the White Lantern:





Yeah, he has no memories of being Swamp Thing, because he never was. So while the vines wrap around him and he DOES become Swamp Thing, he's--for all intents and purposes--and entirely different character. In fact, I'm getting the implication that now he's MORE of a character than Swamp Thing was before. Which, it's worth noting, is the monster that Holland!Thing is fighting now, as he definitely states his own identity:





And after the battle is over (spoiler alert! The day is saved), you'll note that Holland doesn't know any of these characters:





So is Swamp Thing back? Not really. This isn't Swamp Thing, it's Alec Holland as the NEW Swamp Thing. Unless he somehow merged his consciousness with the Swamp Thing's--and if you've read this issue, please let me know if that's what happened and I missed it, but the "Do I... know you?" seems to indicate that he hasn't merged with Swamp Thing's memories--then he has NO history with Abby Arcane, or Matt Cable, or even Constantine. On one hand, I suppose this is a way to make the DC-centric Swampy series new-reader-friendly or something. On the other hand, doesn't this kinda piss all over what writers have done with the character from Moore onward?


This is my first time in a long while that I've hastily thrown together a post for a brand new issue. Please let me know if I've screwed up at all with spoilers or anything. Bat-Apologies in advance.
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Date: 2011-04-27 04:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lencannon
They've made this seem so much more complicated than it is.

1. The old swamp thing was a plant/earth elemental with the memories of a dead human, Alec Holland. This made him more sympathetic to humanity than others like him.

2. They raised the dead Alec Holland and gave him plant elemental powers to try and recreate the corrupted Swamp Thing.

Date: 2011-04-27 04:55 pm (UTC)
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If they messed Abby's love life again I'm going to need a hammer. Perhaps an Asgardian one.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:02 pm (UTC)
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...and by hammer you mean your manhood? (I can't be the only one who thought of that!)

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Date: 2011-04-27 05:00 pm (UTC)
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Now he just has to wait a year before he gets his stint in a short lived nearly randomly composed Justice League line-up that no one will remember.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
" Now he thinks he's Nekron. "

and now I'm imagining Evil Star and his space science gremlins doing their version of, ah.. the autopsy. It works so well.

Date: 2011-04-27 05:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
"Hey kids, did you like those stories told by that Alan Moore chap?

Well SCREW THAT NOISE, 'cause we're gonna undo all that and make that well-developed character (the Not Alec Swamp Thing) into a cliche, empty villain so we can bring Swamp Thing back proper!"

Date: 2011-04-27 05:41 pm (UTC)
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That's OK... Geoff Johns will use those stories as the inspiration for a Green Lantern crossover.

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Date: 2011-04-27 05:04 pm (UTC)
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Bat-Apologies in advance.

There are no such things as Bat-Apologies. Batman never apologizes. :*

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Date: 2011-04-27 05:10 pm (UTC)
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Swamp Thing was an elemental who absorbed memories of Alec Holland.

When Nekron showed up, Swamp Thing absorbed those memories; by all account, what they're fighting here IS the husk of Swamp Thing. The Swamp Thing we knew died when Nekron's persona took it over.

The only way to save Earth was to connect Alec Holland with Swamp Thing.

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Date: 2011-04-27 05:11 pm (UTC)
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Also, in all honesty, I'm surprised no one is talking about the last page. That was a much bigger surprise to me.

I'll let someone else post it here, but if you're dying to know, the spoiler is here. http://thehomeworld.net/blog/2011/04/brightest-days-other-surprise-return/

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Date: 2011-04-27 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
...why the freakin' hell is DC reverting Swamp Thing to his original concept? Seriously, what the hell?

Date: 2011-04-27 07:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fifthie
Johns has finally progressed from obsession to outright mania

Date: 2011-04-27 05:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] inthefuturethereisnofuture.blogspot.com
There's the Vertigo Swamp Thing and there's the new DC Swamp Thing.

In my head, everything that ever happened to Moore's version still happened, but it's a different continuity. So there's a Vertigo Swamp Thing still out there, Tefe and Abby and all the stuff that matters and then...

...There's this. So we'll see what happens.

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Date: 2011-04-27 05:51 pm (UTC)
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"On the other hand, doesn't this kinda piss all over what writers have done with the character from Moore onward?"

I don't see how it would--this isn't saying that what happened in Swamp Thing in the past didn't happen, they're just taking it in a new direction. Hell, if they bring some of the other characters back along with Constantine, this will probably make for some more interesting stories--like, what happens when Abby finds out that two of her lovers have kinda mixed and melded together?

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'He Thinks He's Nekron'.

Date: 2011-04-27 06:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] misterbug
My instantaneous reaction? Could Be Worse...

Date: 2011-04-27 06:05 pm (UTC)
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I'm disturbed by the possibility that he will be able to take off his Swamp Thing appearance and walk around. That's not Swampy. That's not Him at all.

The idea of 'Swamp Thing, White Lantern' is just too ridiculous even to discuss.

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Date: 2011-04-27 06:09 pm (UTC)
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First reaction: I feel sick.

Second reaction: this pisses all over the Parliament of Trees.

Date: 2011-04-27 06:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ian_karkull
Well... That made absolutely no sense. Comics, everybody!

My kneejerk reaction would be decrying John's for pissing all over Moore's work and retconning the hell out of it so he can have a few more toys in his sandbox, but I'm just much too bored and a little bit saddened by it to care.

It's kind of sad because Swampy not being Holland was what made the character great. The reader could see him learn and grow throughout the series and watch him become his very own unique being in the process. I really felt that much closer to him throughout his journey.
Swampy "defeated" the Primal Darkness precisely because he was, in a sense, a newborn. Unsure of himself and the world he lived in, but also completely free of prejudice. Alec Holland never could've done that.

On a personal level, saying that that Swamp Thing was merely an empty husk that could be overtaken by anyone and not a person in his own right seems to invalidate that journey and sullies the memorey a little. And I can't really see what yet another Middle-aged White Dude -albeit a dead one- could possibly bring to the table.

Alas, at least it leaves the possibility open for some writer to do something potentially awesome with a much underused character.

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Date: 2011-04-27 07:24 pm (UTC)
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Awww Boston and Dove. ;;

Neat stuff.

Date: 2011-04-27 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
I'm just disappointed that they killed Kendra to bring back Shayera. And then they killed Shayera again.

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Date: 2011-04-27 07:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aeolos_sakya
As much as there are some weird things and some of them probably annow the crap out of people, I'm just sad about what had to happen to ressurrect Holland. I should've seen that coming but... damn.

Date: 2011-04-27 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
"....now he thinks he's Nekron"

Nekron!Swamp Thing: "I THINK IM BIG MEECH! LARRY HOOVER!...."

Date: 2011-04-27 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] screamsheet.wordpress.com
So...is it even remotely possible to figure out what the hell has been going on in Brightest Day without having an encyclopedic knowledge of the last 30 years of DC continuity?

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Date: 2011-04-27 10:09 pm (UTC)
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DC seems to make it clear that clones of people, even with the same memory, are not the same person. I mean, Earth-3 Alex Luthor came back in the JLA Omega arc and he had a happen ending, even though he started Infinite Crisis and turn Superboy Prime into an insane killer... but he got the better ending while Prime is left unknown... but how did Nekron imprint the Green?

Date: 2011-04-28 12:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
This was underwhelming to be honest. After all that, and this was the endgame?

Date: 2011-04-28 02:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] baxter2814
*sigh* Okay, yeah, chucking out continuity makes it easier to understand. Fine.

The problem is that people don't only read whatever's coming out right now. They also read old stuff, and this is just going to make it more confusing. Just my first thoughts, while keeping my Alan Moore fangirl tied down.

Date: 2011-04-28 03:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
Reactions from issue...

Wait, how did Nekron "imprint" onto Swamp Thing? The way they make it look you'd think he changes identities on the fly all the time or something.

So "failing" his mission just leaves Hawk as he is? That's it?

Wait was the Entity trying to have Boomerang actually kill Dove instead of Boston?

Why did the four (Firestorm, Martian Manhunter, the Hawks, Aquaman) turn into little "Elementals"? Swamp Thing didn't need their help to kill Dark Thing and they could've slowed it down without being "Elementals" and aren't Elementals supposed to NOT be able to affect one another? I think they made a point of that when Firestorm met Swamp Thing a previous time.

Why didn't the Entity just have the heroes find Dark Thing and have its connection severed BEFORE it arose? I mean it'd take like one Green Lantern and something else. Or any one of the light based heroes like Halo or Dr. Light apparently. Since it's not like Swamp Thing is ALL plant life or plants wouldn't have been able to exist before Alec Holland accidentally made him.

Swamp Thing just healed all the world's plant life? When did it get damaged in the first place?

Oh well. I guess Brightest Day worked well for a six issue mini. What? How many issues? Seriously? 25 issues?

Date: 2011-04-28 07:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lascoden
I think the bad Swamp Thing was connected to all plant life, they needed the good one to replace the connection.

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Date: 2011-04-30 06:18 am (UTC)
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Meh. The way Johns pulled this right out of his ass near the end of the last issue meant I already didn't care, made even more an issue by the gratuitous and momentary resurrection of Holland here. (I felt sorry for the guy. From his perspective, one minute he was in his lab, getting blown up, the next eaten by some enormous monster he's never seen, 40 years later. That must be what being Billy Pilgrim feels like)

I did win the betting pool, I see, on who gets it in the hand this time.(Hawk)

Date: 2011-04-30 06:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jlroberson
PS--Also, this Holland thinks his wife is still alive. Poor SOB.
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