thehefner: (Me w/ white background)thehefner ([personal profile] thehefner) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily,
@ 2011-04-27 12:31 pm UTC
Entry tags:char: aquaman/orin/arthur curry, char: firestorm/jason rusch, char: firestorm/ronnie raymond, char: martian manhunter/j'onn j'onzz, char: swamp thing/alec holland, creator: geoff johns, creator: patrick gleason, creator: peter j. tomasi, title: brightest day
So the final issue of Brightest Day came out, wherein we get the grand reintroduction of Swamp Thing to the DCU! Except... not exactly. And I'm really not sure how to feel about this.



Scans from Brightest Day #24, which came out today.


So as we saw in the last issue, the black evil force dealie stuff was using Swamp Thing as the dark avatar, whereas the White Champion was selected to be Alec Holland. Not Swamp Thing, mind you, but the dessicated, crunchy corpse of Alec Holland. The White Lantern recaps his death, and makes an important distinction:





As we see the big, giant, evil Dark Avatar, the Lantern says, "BUT IT WAS ONLY SWAMP THING." At this point, my eyebrows are raised. "Only?" But okay, I read on, seeing the various heroes battle Dark Swampy, while the White Lantern explains its grand plan to Deadman, and why Aquaman, J'onn, Firestorm, and the Hawks were converted into Water, Earth, Fire, and Air elementals:








W... wait. Is anyone else getting the impression here that Johns is saying that Swamp Thing was just a husk that took on imprinted memories, but wasn't actually an individual creature in its own right? Maybe I'm jumping the gun here, but wait, see what happens after Alec Holland is officially brought back to life by the White Lantern:





Yeah, he has no memories of being Swamp Thing, because he never was. So while the vines wrap around him and he DOES become Swamp Thing, he's--for all intents and purposes--and entirely different character. In fact, I'm getting the implication that now he's MORE of a character than Swamp Thing was before. Which, it's worth noting, is the monster that Holland!Thing is fighting now, as he definitely states his own identity:





And after the battle is over (spoiler alert! The day is saved), you'll note that Holland doesn't know any of these characters:





So is Swamp Thing back? Not really. This isn't Swamp Thing, it's Alec Holland as the NEW Swamp Thing. Unless he somehow merged his consciousness with the Swamp Thing's--and if you've read this issue, please let me know if that's what happened and I missed it, but the "Do I... know you?" seems to indicate that he hasn't merged with Swamp Thing's memories--then he has NO history with Abby Arcane, or Matt Cable, or even Constantine. On one hand, I suppose this is a way to make the DC-centric Swampy series new-reader-friendly or something. On the other hand, doesn't this kinda piss all over what writers have done with the character from Moore onward?


This is my first time in a long while that I've hastily thrown together a post for a brand new issue. Please let me know if I've screwed up at all with spoilers or anything. Bat-Apologies in advance.


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[identity profile] inthefuturethereisnofuture.blogspot.com
2011-04-27 05:49 pm UTC (link)
There's the Vertigo Swamp Thing and there's the new DC Swamp Thing.

In my head, everything that ever happened to Moore's version still happened, but it's a different continuity. So there's a Vertigo Swamp Thing still out there, Tefe and Abby and all the stuff that matters and then...

...There's this. So we'll see what happens.

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2011-04-27 05:56 pm UTC (link)
This is going to just be one big clusterfuck continuity headache, isn't it?

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[identity profile] inthefuturethereisnofuture.blogspot.com
2011-04-27 05:57 pm UTC (link)
More than likely.

Ain't comics grand?!

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[identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
2011-04-27 05:59 pm UTC (link)
I don't see why it'd cause any continuity problems whatsoever.

Now, being a retread of material that was wisely put to rest, needlessly complicating a character and being terribly unoriginal sure, but canon's fine.

...about the only thing that is, really.

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2011-04-27 06:05 pm UTC (link)
No problems? Even though DC John Constantine is drawn way more like his younger self, rather than the Vertigo version who's been aging in real time?

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[identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
2011-04-27 06:16 pm UTC (link)
It's magic, we don't have to explain it ;)

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2011-04-27 09:46 pm UTC (link)
It's easier to always and forever consider Vertigo a separate, parallel continuity to DC. It's what I do, anyways.

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2011-04-28 07:02 am UTC (link)
Actually, DC has said that's exactly what they're doing. Seems to be a PunisherMax kinda situation.

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