perletwo: bring her back! (Lian Harper)
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Because a few people in the Rise of Arsenal Wins Award thread said they hadn't read any/much of RoA, and because the link in the earlier post has lots of macro-manips talking about dead cats, I thought I should link to the scene being referenced. Coulda sworn it was posted here, but if so I couldn't find it through the tags. (If someone can find it, I'll gladly take this post down.)

So, here are 2 pages from Rise of Arsenal #3. Behold the gritty realism of its depiction of drug abuse!



Here Roy has bought and sniffed some heroin. The freak-out begins with a happy reunion with an intact, alive Lian, then goes to the first page of this spread, in which Roy sees himself facing an army of Prometheuses (Prometheii?) bent on killing Lian again.



Standing in for the Electrocutioner in this freak-out is of course Bat!Dick, who is standing at the mouth of the alley in the missing page of this spread:



Roy is convinced Bat!Dick is there to take Lian!Kitty away from him, and Bat!Dick has to make with the Tough Love. Really Tough Love - like, get me to the emergency room type Tough Love.


The issue ends with Roy strapped to a table to detox cold turkey, talking with Zombie!Lian, and slowly going totally bugfuck insane in the membrane.

Date: 2011-05-03 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] screamsheet.wordpress.com
The issue ends with Roy strapped to a table to detox cold turkey

So...Bats doesn't take him to a clinic or something? Cause I was under the impression that just strapping someone down like that and leaving them could kill them.

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Date: 2011-05-04 12:00 am (UTC)
fungo_squiggly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] fungo_squiggly
The dead cat looks pissed.

It probably doesn't appreciate being involved in this nonsense.

Date: 2011-05-04 12:43 am (UTC)
nezchan: And he can breathe in space (grinch-man)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
It had a full day of rotting planned, and now THAT plan's gone all to hell.

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Date: 2011-05-04 12:03 am (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
For anyone wondering how it all went down:



Date: 2011-05-04 01:15 am (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
Bats isn't talking to Roy, there.

He's talking to his own foot. =D

Date: 2011-05-04 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djt2445.livejournal.com
... this is DickBatDickery, right? :P

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Date: 2011-05-04 03:32 am (UTC)
red_menace: BFF? (Default)
From: [personal profile] red_menace
I love this page more than is reasonable or healthy.

Date: 2011-05-04 10:18 pm (UTC)
superfangirl1: (Default)
From: [personal profile] superfangirl1
This is the bat-kick of loving friendship?

Date: 2011-05-04 12:54 am (UTC)
sigma7: ranch (Ranch tooth)
From: [personal profile] sigma7
I just skimmed over Roy's Wikipedia entry for more info on his recent misadventures:

Afterward, Slade and his team arrive at South Pacific Island to kill cult leader Drago over the arena production of blind warriors; however, his team, Arsenal, and Cheshire betray him, revealing that they had been working with Drago.[13] While Shade is captive, but Drago refuses to allow Roy and Cheshire leaves his decision, which angered Roy and Cheshire to attack Drago, as fails that Drago is signal handle. When Roy is imprisoned with Shade and confided in Roy about his and Drago past.[14][clarification needed]

Yes, "clarification needed" indeed.

But I am fantastically amused that Bizarro Arsenal is armed with a quiver of dead cats.

Date: 2011-05-04 06:02 pm (UTC)
recognitions: (Default)
From: [personal profile] recognitions
I'm guessing that the story was just so nonsensical that the person was broken while trying to recap it.

Date: 2011-05-04 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ebailey140
Dick: Roy, listen to me. It's too late. She's gone. Probably to Africa. Or the League of Assassins has her. Or, she's somewhere being trained to be the next Red Hood. I'd better hunt down Jason about that... WAIT! Jason SLEPT with Talia al Ghul! That means Lian is being trained BY the League of Assassns to be the next Red Hood! In Africa!

Roy: WHAT?!! And I'm the crazy one, here?

Dick: I know it sounds unbelievable, but...

Roy: Talia sleeping with JASON?!!!

Dick: Hey, we Robins have the Mojo... But never mind that! You're in danger! From Lian!

Roy: Oh, come on...

Later, outside of Gotham...

Roy: Ow... Mental note, listen to Dick, next time...

Damian: Why have you done this? Why did you trick me to break Harper out of jail and bring him here?

Lian: Oh, you silly... Because, I have chosen to dispense justice in my own way, with you at my side, as my BOYFRIEND! And, to prove your worthiness, you will KILL my useless daddy, here!

Roy: Lian, why? What's happened to you? You were taught BETTER than this! How could you... have DAMIAN as your BOYFRIEND?

Lian: It's the Robin Mojo. I can't resist.

Damian: I'm NOT her BOYFRIEND! And, isn't the more important concern your daughter wanting to kill you?

Roy: When you're a father, you'll understand. But, now that you mention it... Lian, why do you want to kill me?

Lian: Because you didn't AVENGE me! You didn't kill Promethius!

Roy: I would have, but Ollie had to hog the spotlight and do it, first!

Date: 2011-05-04 02:02 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
as kinda horrible as this would be in Cannon, i would TOTALLY love to see this as a fan strip....

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Date: 2011-05-04 01:58 am (UTC)
feyandstrange: pill box with letters "W T F" showing (wtf)
From: [personal profile] feyandstrange
Dude, whatever he just snorted is so not heroin. Unless that weird new arm of his has done something to his metabolism. Heroin doesn't generally cause hallucinations on this scale, and users don't tend to be violent while they're high (jonesing, sure).

Date: 2011-05-04 02:03 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i was going to insert a "How would you know what a person on heroine sees" line here... but i am having spaghetti for dinner :D

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Date: 2011-05-04 02:03 am (UTC)
midnightvoyager: (Bob)
From: [personal profile] midnightvoyager
What... What is wrong with Bat-Dick(?)'s costume there?

Date: 2011-05-04 02:05 am (UTC)
midnightvoyager: (Default)
From: [personal profile] midnightvoyager
Oh, wait, I'm dumb, hallucinations.

Horribly drawn hallucinations, but eh.

God, at least good art wasn't wasted on this nonsense.

Date: 2011-05-04 03:10 am (UTC)
sindra: (draculax)
From: [personal profile] sindra
Why can't they write people grieving in a normal fashion? I know a couple that lost their son in a terrible accident, and they're not going batshit insane.

Date: 2011-05-04 04:09 am (UTC)
tsunamiwombat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tsunamiwombat
Secretly, they're brewing meth in their basement.

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Date: 2011-05-04 05:48 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Speedy/Roy Harper)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Why oh why did you post this? So much fail in this series. It's downright heartbreaking because Roy is arguably my favorite DC character. To see all this shit happen..from Cry for Justice, this RoA, and Titans..just..gah, people wonder why I go off the handle in that regard. Roy is by no means perfect, but he had so much potential, even after becoming Red Arrow and entering a serious relationship with Hawkgirl. He was no longer the guy who tried to add to his bed count. He was becoming a serious hero and can only go further, then he's just...totally destroyed...all because DC just wanted some type of fuckin Punisher or crazy hero when they had that in Vigilante. So strongly do I want them to reverse this. Bring back Lian, give Roy back his arm, do not keep him as a drug addict known for beating up people with dead fucking cats. Just..ugh I hate this!

Date: 2011-05-04 11:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
-all because DC just wanted some type of fuckin Punisher or crazy hero when they had that in Vigilante. -

Not to mention Jason Todd, who's muuuuch better at it.

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Date: 2011-05-04 07:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] schrodingers_fangirl
The Big Two - hell, comics in general - don't have a good history of depicting recovering addicts in any realistic way whatsoever. Whenever there's a hero strung out and then in subsequent recovery, they're always depicted as just one crisis away from relapse. I don't necessarily read comics for realism, but it's laughably bad to depict all addicts as white knuckling it through day-to-day existence. (See, He Who Shall Not Be Named's depiction of Siryn in early X-Factor.) Even Roy undergoing severe trauma should not automatically equal his instant falling off the wagon after years of being sober. I call bullshit, DC.

Date: 2011-05-04 09:23 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
I don't necessarily read comics for realism, but it's laughably bad to depict all addicts as white knuckling it through day-to-day existence.

TV shows and movies do the same thing, which I suppose works at turning more impressionable viewers away from ever trying addictive substances.

ER did that once. Carter said: "There's not a day goes by when I don't think about getting high. I think about it when I wake up in the morning, I think about it when I go to sleep at night, and I think about it all day."

Date: 2011-05-04 09:13 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
You know, I'm not sure that this story is very good.

Date: 2011-05-04 09:39 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
I wonder if maybe Rise of Arsenal needs a Fan Remix with new dialogue in the word balloons. And not a parody remix, as done for CIVIL WAR and the Loeb/Cho ULTIMATES mini-series.

BATMAN #644 was remixed so Leslie Thompkins *didn't* let Stephanie Brown die, she just left Gotham out of different guilt. And this was *years* before Stephanie's death was changed. http://odditycollector.livejournal.com/72552.html

So, how could the dialogue RISE OF ARSENAL be changed for the better? Could it make the story good, despite Roy holding a dead cat?

Date: 2011-05-05 02:47 pm (UTC)
darkblade: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkblade
I don't think thats possible.

Date: 2011-05-06 09:25 am (UTC)
super_fly: (Thor - Beer)
From: [personal profile] super_fly
If he starts welding dead cats to those guys faces...

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