Scans_Daily

When he found the current site of central Melbourne he noted in his diary, "This will be the place for a village."[1][2] and declared the land "Batmania".[3][4]

Oh my god the alternate history that could have been.

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misterbug

He's been around for a bit - ever since RIP, in fact. The original Ranger/Dark Ranger was dispatched by the Black Glove and Wingman, but his Robin equivalent - The Scour - took over from him.

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icon_uk

The Scour? That's an... unusual name, inasmuch as it's a verb. Or is the name of an indiginous Australian bird?

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It was a typo, he was the original Dark Ranger's sidekick, known as the Scout, not the Scour.

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kenn_el

The Scour: Cleaning up crime by rubbing it out!

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misterbug

erm. I meant 'Scout'.

(Let's never speak of this again)

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icon_uk

Shame! ;)

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misterbug

True story, due to a spelling error I once attempted to pitch to a friend of mine the idea for a superhero named 'The Bran'.

"He fills his foes with wheaty goodness, bloating them into cramped immobility!"

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joasakura

Oh, god. The Bran.. he will move your bowels!

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turtlefu

That seems to be happening a lot.
First with Bruce, then Batman Japan, Knight, now Ranger...

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kamino_neko

The original Knight and Ranger both beat Bruce to the dying and being replaced - Knight, the current guy was introduced in JLA, when Morrison was writing it, Ranger was revealed to be Scout having taken over in the Club of Heroes arc of Batman, when Morrison was writing THAT. Morrison rather loves it, apparently.

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Dark Ranger wasn't replaced by Scout until after the Club of Heroes arc, and wasn't revealed to have done so until the Club returned in the closing issues of R.I.P..

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I have never really understood the concept of the Outsiders, because like, that group right there could not look any less like a stealth team.

Also the tattooing seems a little much!

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icon_uk

You'd think so, but consider their powers; A telepath/telekinetic vampire, a samurai warrior with stealth training, a metamorph with a gaseous form, energy manipulator with an invisibility option and... a big red burning guy to... I dunno, create distractions?

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stolisomancer

Every stealth team needs the guy who can go punch straight through the front door in the event they get caught.

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kamino_neko

The red seems to be weird colouring. He's a completely normal looking (if exceptionally large) black man in the Reign of Doomsday issue (the only Outsiders issue I've read since the first arc with Owlman)...He's called Freight Train (no relation to Freight-Train, and he apparently used to work for Stagg (oh, Rex must love that), and is a New Blood. And Canadian.

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misterbug

Red Robin and the Outsiders sounds very good. And no sign of Geo-Force, huzzah!

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grimmbear

I think he's officially tainted property. Didio killed any use for poor Geofarce.

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icon_uk

I hesitate to ask, because I sort of liked him.

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grimmbear

With all the "Diplomatic intrigue" and bad blood between Geoforce and many members of the team I think it's hard to use him right now.

What I think would be interesting is to have him restart the Global Guardians and have them based out of Markovia. It would allow for a global superhero team and place him in a position where he can use his title as influence plus bring him into the spotlight where he belongs.

Brion used to be one of my favorite DC characters and it would be nice to have him used/written properly again.

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icon_uk

The Global Guardians are still active aren't they? Not that Brian couldn't just join in any event.

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kamino_neko

Are they? I don't remember a new version being formed after Prometheus slaughtered them.

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icon_uk

Oh bollocks, I'd forgotten about that crapdump of a plotpoint.

Still, give the regularity with which teams with names like teams like "Outsiders" and "Justice" reform I have no problem in accepting that either another Global Guardians was created or Prometheus didn't kill ALL of the last lot.

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kamino_neko

Lucky you.

On the other hand, if there's not one going, there does open up a possibility of Brion starting a new one, which, now that it's been mentioned, I wouldn't mind seeing happen, so...

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recognitions

I like Brion too. But I assume he's too busy running his country these days to run off on heroics.

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David, the Batman of Africa, does seem somewhat inspired by the "Batwings" character Ronnie saw Batman as in Batman 250, especially when you look at the original issue. The red and yellow version here is from the reprint, in the original the dark red was black and the yellow was blue, making him ever more closely resemble David's look.

Additionally, David's exoskeleton is the same as the flight suit that debuted in Batman: The Return that Bruce and Damian wore when they met Traktir and Spidra. Details like those are part of what has been enjoyable about Morrison's Batman run.

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thokstar

"A Terror Made of Shadows and Flapping Wings."

They're building Darkwing Duck?

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janegray

Criminals are doomed!

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batzarmy

Wingman = Jason

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janegray

That's my guess too, but I don't know how I'd feel about that if it turns out to be true.

I love Jason as a mix of punk and woobie, and "Morrison wrote the guy as petty, evil, and an all-around punk" doesn't exactly inspire much confidence >_>

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arbre_rieur

I was talking about Wingman, not Jason Todd.

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janegray

Yes, I know. But if Wingman is Jason, then Jason is the guy Morrison has been writing as a 100% evil punk, and I wouldn't like that at all.

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I believe you have misunderstood, the OP was saying that the original Wingman was a 100% evil punk, not the new one. The new one, the one some are suggesting may be Jason, only appears on the panel in the page above.

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janegray

Ah, I see. That's reassuring, thank you :D

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It's a theory. I'd be overjoyed if it was, particularly if it means he'll get a chance to go off and do his own thing without too much interference with/from the batclan.

It would give him a chance to establish an identity besides that of a reoccurring nuisance for Dick and Tim, and it would make it easy for his fans to collect his appearances and his haters to ignore them.

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benicio127

Yes! Same here. I really don't want to get my hopes up because I feel like Morrison will just go with some obscure character or maybe bring back the original Wingman.

But... question (to whoever is able to answer): did the original Wingman know Bruce as Bruce? (Like I know Batman trained him, but did he know that Batman = Bruce Wayne??) And would he have called him Bruce???

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cloud_wolf

Nah, he didn't know.He basically hated Batman's guts because he was a jealous asshole.

But seriously, Morrison KILLED the original Wingman.Like, shot through the head, drawn in gory detail by JH Williams III. Maybe I'll have to eat my words but I'm pretty sure he ain't coming back. I get that people think that Morrison is all about bringing back old obscure characters, but he does change them (or even kill them off). Knight and Squire are totally different from how they were when they first showed up (it being Cyril and Beryl instead of Cyril and his dad).

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benicio127

And Beryl is awesome, too :D

I reallllly hope you don't have to eat your words, either :D

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cloud_wolf

Beryl is the cuuuutest. ILHer and Cyril.

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benicio127

It was actually

whitesycamore's posts on the Knight & Squire mini series that made me fall in love with Beryl. I really have to pick that up when it comes out in tpb.

OK. SO the theories about Wingman:
1) Original Wingman (who is dead, shot in the head...)
2) Jason (please?)
3) Superman (idk, I saw this theory and I was kind of like O_o I don't know, I don't think he would need to dress up for Batman and be a part of Inc., nor would he give Bruce that kind of attitude. Like Supes seems more like he would say something like: "Glad I could help out, Bruce" you know????)
4) JPV (who is also dead)

TAKING BETS NOW~

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It's probably Jason, anyone else he could possibly be is, like you said, dead.

(It's the Joker, having taken on a higher incarnation of the Oberon Sexton persona (it's the real John Mayhew (it's elder Thomas Wayne/Dr. Hurt, having been turned good thanks to brain damage from oxygen deprivation in his coffin)))

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ebailey140

The problem with the Jason theory is he's already slated to be his Red Hood self in upcoming Batman and Robin issues.

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Yeah, but I'm not sure quite how the time-line between the two books gels. Plus, just because he interacts with Dick and Damian as the Red Hood in the next arc of B&R that doesn't doesn't necessarily mean he can't be Wingman as well. He is being asked to keep his identity an absolute secret - I assume that means secret from all the other batkids as well as the public.

And the nest issue of B&R was delayed by a week at the last minute - it's not totally impossible that it was held back so they could tailor it to fit with Inc, although I think it's doubtful.

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airawyn

ALFRED.

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benicio127

WELL OK! What are we saying the odds are? xD

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airawyn

Hm, the issue did take time to point out Alfred's physical and intellectual skills and his identity would need to be top-secret since he's publicly associated with Bruce. OTOH, "I get it, Bruce" doesn't sound much like him. I'm going to put the odds at 20%.

(My first choice is Jason, though.)

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benicio127

Right, if he had said, "I understand, Master Bruce" then we'd have a DEFINITE clue xD
My odds on this? 5%

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kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com

3) He might give him attitude if he decided to call him 'Wingman' though! Would be rather patronising....

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runespoor

But it seems SO WRONG to me that Jason wouldn't be in Gotham. ): He belongs to Gotham as much as Steph does. Maybe even more.

I'm wondering about an Arrow, personally. Maybe Roy?

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darkblade

If it means getting him help and away from Slade'sTitans I'm all for it.

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But, perhaps that would be the best for him? So he's not butting heads with the others and reliving bad memories...

Then again, where is Wingman located? Bruce said he had to make one more stop on his way home, Somewhere between Africa and Gotham City I guess? (Where was the original wingman from?)

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Wingman was from an unidentified European nation in his first appearances in Batman, and was similarly unidentified in terms of national origin in his modern appearances in Morrison's Black Glove/Club of Heroes 3-part story.

Pre-Crisis he was unidentified, and Post-Infinite Crisis his home nation has yet to be mentioned on panel.

However, Post-Crisis, and Pre-Zero Hour, it was established in the All-Star Squadron and the Dc Who's Who books that the Club of Heroes were a team from an older generation of heroes, instead of being inspired by Batman, they predated him by decades, existing in the post-WWII DC universe. Wingman was identified in that continuity as being the Club of Heroes representative from Sweden, and this form of the Club of Heroes was the inspiration for the Global Guardians in their continuity.

I think it is reasonable to assume he is from Sweden, but it is also possible his native land could be changed as well, having not made it to print in the current canon/continuity at this point.

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ooh! Thanks for the info. I didn't know that. :)

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benicio127

I know. BUT he was out of Gotham in Lost Days and it still worked. HRM. I don't know, would Roy refer to Bruce as Bruce? And would Bruce do the paternal hand on shoulder thing to Roy? Seems like Roy's a ... nephew (xD) not a son.

BUT Roy? I'd say odds are... 9% ;)

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retro_nouveau

2) Jason (pretty please!)

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misterbug

The changes made to the Club of Heroes all had a specific purpose, <a HREF="http://www.4thletter.net/2007/11/batman-is-bruce-wayne-many-troubles-in-your-brain/> it has been argued</a>.

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cloud_wolf

Oooh, that's a really cool link! THANK YOU! I didn't know 4th letter had posts on Morrison's Batman run.

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mrstatham

To be fair, Cyril and Beryl was more of a generational thing - A homage to Batman and Robin and the notion of Robin becoming Batman - Than Morrison outright replacing the characters.

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cloud_wolf

Fair enough. But still, Morrison's other meddling in the Club of Heroes does show he's okay with changing characters drastically and killing them off.

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Or if it *is* Jason that might even cement him as Morrison's red-headed Jason, who's a perfectly fine character but not the one I love.

Although tbh I have a sneaking suspicion that DC are going to stick with the red hair anyway, although they'll probably let his general look drift back towards hotness.

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benicio127

I kind of think he might be a red-head too, given the cover of B&R #25. Though covers can never actually be believed, BUT. :/ (I don't know why Morrison's take is suddenly the authorial one, though, I think that's what bugs me more than anything. Plus, the absurdity of the retcon)

Would it cement him as Morrison's? Winick said he'll be amalgammating his and Morrison's (riffing on Morrison's riff on his character) Jason in B&R. So, I don't know! :O

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Yeah... it's the combination of the mystery guy addressing him as "Bruce," the attitude, and the hand on the shoulder (quite intimate and paternal for the usually stand-offish Batman) that makes me think Jason is a very real possibility.

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benicio127

As soon as I read it, that was my immediate thought. Good point about the hand on the shoulder. And given the fact that DC constantly seems to be changing his costume (which is actually a lot of D: to me) and that in the majority of his post-resurrection appearances, there has been a "mystery" surrounding his masked identity (Hush, Red Hood, Red Robin, Gatman, nu!Red Hood)

Could you imagine though if this is Jason (which we're obviously not sure of), and he went to work for the Outsiders, eventually (which is what some people had suggested they wanted in the past)

Yeaaaah I don't see that as being as possibility now, not with Tim leading the Outsiders now oooops :O

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airawyn

Wait, Tim's leading the Outsiders, the Teen Titans, running the Neon Knights and juggling two girlfriends ~~plus his secret affair with Kon~~? Busy, busy boy.

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benicio127

Learns from his dad and eldest brother, I guess! ;)

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runespoor

I thought we all agreed that being in three places at the same time was Dick's definite superpower?

That and making every sentient being get an insta-crush on him, of course.

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benicio127

That and making every sentient being get an insta-crush on him, of course.

xDDD Even Ollie Queen!!! See: Inheritance :)

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icon_uk

Doesn't seem to fit with plans in Batman and Robin. There's another suggestion I read elsewhere on s_d that he might be Jean-Paul Valley.

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damianwayne

I've read that quite a few places too, yet I don't for the life of me understand why anyone would want for it to be that 'roidhead choirboy instead of JToddz.

It's not as though we all miss Azrael - there's a pretty cool new one nd nobody gives a damn about the poor guy.

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icon_uk

Oh personally, I really don't care if JPV never shows his face again; never liked him then, can't imagine liking him now, but he does seem to be a possibility.

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mrstatham

I think if JPV were alive again, DC would've inevitably made some noise about it, given it was nearly impossible for them to shut up about Swamp Thing and whatever.

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ebailey140

I've read that quite a few places too, yet I don't for the life of me understand why anyone would want for it to be that 'roidhead choirboy instead of JToddz.

Not so much a matter of "want" as a matter of what's most likely. I'd like Jason back in the family, but... We've already seen the solicits for that upcoming Batman & Robin story.

Meanwhile, with Jean-Paul, we've got the whole lack of a memorial case in the Batcave thing, which would mean (following the Steph Rule) Bruce suspects he isn't dead.

I'd rather it'd be Jason, but the B&R solicits make that seem unlikely. It's the same reason I was expecting Cass not only to appear, but in the costume she appeared in. We already saw her wearing it on the upcoming Red Robin cover.

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I thought one of the main reasons JPV hasn't been brought back is not so much story/character reasons, but because of who created him...(editor in chief of rival company Marvel anyone?)

then again, Joe Quesada's no longer the editor in chief now...what's the guy up to now? Maybe?

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twomasks

I'm hoping against hope that it's Jean-Paul.

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cainofdreaming

There's a man who thinks fifty steps ahead of everyone. And then there's his butler, who wins every single chess game they play.

Alfred. Win. So. Much.

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sherkahn

I would NOT be surprised if Bruce was actually saving Alfred as his ultimate weapon against Dr. Dedalus & Leviathan. Alfred did quite well while giving the marching orders for the Outsiders....

All of this is an elaborate show to have Dr. Dadelus looking at HIM, while Alfred does the real work from behind.

There is a reason why Alfred Pennyworth IS Batman's Batman.

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"I would NOT be surprised if Bruce was actually saving Alfred as his ultimate weapon against Dr. Dedalus & Leviathan."

I could totally see that happening, actually--Bruce gets captured by Leviathan, and Alfred takes control of Incorporated and, like a General, creates a plan using all these guys to bust him out and take Leviathan out once and for all. :D

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runespoor

Alfred raised Bruce.

Think about that for a minute.

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sinisterlink

Okay, I know we have the whole "it's never just you" thing, but I have to ask this. Am I the only one that really doesn't care AT ALL about this whole Batman Incorporated thing? I just have no interest in this whole thing with having tons of different Batpeople running around in different countries. And people keep posting scans and going on about how good it is and I just can't see it. :/

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misterbug

*Shrug* No-one's saying it's imperative that you like it. Some of us do, and it's likely some others don't.

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damianwayne

Think it's a case of if you don't like Coke, you won't like Vanilla Coke, Cherry Coke or Coke Zero.

I'm enjoying seeing all of these different takes on Batman, and a Bruce who is ebbing slightly away from Loner McBatgod.

But if you don't much care for Batman, then meh. Why read a title with his name in it and expect anything but disappointment? Granted, not trying to say you're not a fan, but... what kind of Batman stories would you rather see in it's stead?

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ravenous_raven

I'm not in the apathy corner, but I'm not crazy about it either. On the one hand, I have always liked the idea of superhero networks where they work together ~~and aren't fighting each other from intro-drama~~ but are still in different areas so that they can evolve on their own.

On the other hand, I am leery of the whole privatized "Incorporated" bit. It just seems so unfeasible to me. How do you make paperwork for that kind of thing? And the candle-lit swearing-ins add a religious aspect to it that makes me uncomfortable too. And so many superheros who had never met Batman before are just joining up. I can't help but combine it all into a privatized Batman cult.

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sir_mikael

Isn't Bruce Wayne publicly funding vigilantism as well by doing this? Aiding and abetting not exactly legal behavior?

About the cult thing, you know Joker's gonna make a "Don't drink the cool-aid cus I poisoned it"-joke.

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ebailey140

It's not like the Batman Family, Club of Heroes, Outsiders, and Birds of Prey are anything new. All this is doing is acknowledging just how big the Batman Family actually has been, all this time.

As for the candle thing, that dates back to 1940, when Dick became Robin, and was revived by Barbara with Stephanie.

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ravenous_raven

I forgot about the swearing-in tradition.

But the Bat Family is just that, a collection, and other groups are superhero teams. This one is a full-on incorporated entity that's somewhat in the public eye.

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runespoor

The Batfamily is a family. The Outsiders and the Birds are teams with no hold on the Bat symbol.

Batman Incorporated is trademarking what Bruce (and Cass, and Kate, and maybe others) tend to treat as a religion.

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jlbarnett

who says there's paperwork? . Just because it says Inc. doesn't mean it's actually a business. Pro wrestling has had tag teams and stables with Inc. as part of their names, because it sounds cool and professional.

And the ceremony is just as easily part of a fraternity or secret society thing, which yeah aren't always good but they're not necessarily cults.

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runespoor

Well, I'm in the corner of "I hate the concept like rabies and want it to go away into some Elseworld where it can be as good as it wants and not taint my Batmythos, thank you very much".

It's not that I have no interest in it, it's just that Bruce giving his precious, semi-mysticized Bat-symbol to people all over the world with the name "Incorporated" stamped on it, strikes me as wrong for the canon mythos. An awesome AU idea, but so wrong for canon. (Bruce Wayne using Luthor-like tactics is amazing, but I don't want the Bat symbol mixed in it.)

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benicio127

These are GOOD THOUGHTS.

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fifthie

Since you asked - no, it does not really appeal to me at all, much as pretty much nothing Grant Morrison has done with the character has appealed to me.

It doesn't actively piss me off or anything, so I don't go out of my way to complain about it*, but, as you say, no, just not really interested.

*Except Damian of course, the sooner he falls backwards off a cliff and dies horribly and for permanent, the better.

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the_newcatwoman

I despise this entire set up & the fact that Bruce looks like his cheese just slid off its cracker in every panel without his cowl on. I don't mind a Bruce who's thoroughly impressed with himself but there's nothing about this idea that doesn't scream "I'm a narcissistic jackass and sooner or later this will unravel disastrously forcing me to coldly push away any and everyone who's worked to gain my faith and trust..."

(Not to mention that they've completely failed to explore anything resembling a decent father-son relationship with Damian. Or is Bruce simply content to let Alfred and Dick continue to steer the boy, thus completely ignoring the chasm his own father's death left in his life...or even the obvious feelings his "death" inspired in his son...?)

I could go on and on...

Or not.

tNC

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arilou_skiff

The outsiders hips cannot unsway apparently.

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Like my mother always said; if you pose too sexily, when the wind changes you'll get stuck posing sexy forever.

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icon_uk

Thank God Mama Grayson never warned her offspring about that! :P

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blackruzsa

*waits for the wind to change*

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cainofdreaming

*is off the fetch the bellows*

Why wait?

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icon_uk

A Robin has just walked into the room, of course they're posing seductively! :)

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benicio127

I loved how Alfred beat Bruce at a game of chess. :) This was a good issue.

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icon_uk

"I may have taught you everything YOU know about chess Master Bruce, but I never said I taught you everything I know about chess."

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benicio127

Alfred had some fantastic scenes in this! First, kicks ass. And then kicks Bruce's butt at chess. GO Alfie!

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I loved that--Bruce Wayne had many masters to teach him how to fight and how to be a detective...but it was Alfred Pennyworth who first taught him to be a badass. :'D

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fifthie

I love the WHAT?! BUT I'M BATMAN!! look on Bruce's face.

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kusonaga

Red Robin/Halo OTP?

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icon_uk

Not seeing it I'm afraid, she's usually been shown as being quite flighty, and that's never seemed to be Tim's type.

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Isn't she older than him? (like a college junior, whereas Tim's stuck at 17-18?)

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okkult3000

Who's the burning guy with the Outsiders?

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grimmbear

Freight Train (I think it's his name)

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kamino_neko

His name's Freight Train...was forced on the Outsiders during the Reign of Doomsday crossover (or perhaps earlier, not entirely sure)...A New Blood (though not one created for the Bloodlines crossover), former bodyguard of Simon Stagg, and rather obnoxious (the first two from googling him, the latter from reading said crossover issue).

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espanolbot

Huh, how could Jason be Batman of Sweden?

And he wasn't written as an evil punk, more someone who wanted to measure up to his "father" after his death, only to find that even though he wants to do good he isn't really equipt to live up to Bruce or Dick.

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"Huh, how could Jason be Batman of Sweden?"

I don't even know, but I would read the shit out of that series.

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benicio127

xDDD RIGHT?

A whole issue dedicated to shopping at IKEA, please. ;)

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featheredserpent

He's got a whole utility belt of Allen Wrenches.

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The "evil punk" that the OP was talking about was the original Wingman who betrayed the Club of Heroes, not Jason.

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sir_mikael

There is a Batman of SWEDEN?! O.O *proudly waves Swedish flag*
I may have to start buying this if there's more to it than a throwaway line.

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Yep--Wingman. He was first introduced in the Club of Heroes arc of Morrison's Batman (collected under Batman: The Black Glove), but he died. This is his replacement.

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sir_mikael

Interesting, thanks. :) I'm gonna look into that.

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*snaps fingers* THANK YOU! So that's where Wingman's from! Sweden!

*blinks*....and he was a jerk? Damn. Poor swedish fans...

but who's to say this Wingman is now in Sweden? I'm trying to figure out how Sweden fits between Africa and Gotham City...(since Batman said he had one more place to stop by before going home.)

And what is is about the name Wingman that attributes it to Sweden? (since all the other batmen's names were relative to something in their country) Do they have great pilots or something?

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espanolbot

"Batman's a girl!"

That may be so, but she's still more than capable of kicking your ass.

Cass4life

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runespoor

That's all I got from these pages, as well.

Cass is Batman! :D She's not wearing the Bat symbol, and still people get that she's that!

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ebailey140

Cass is Batman! :D She's not wearing the Bat symbol, and still people get that she's that

She's wearing that bat symbol, actually. Her new costume is her old one with a different mask and cape.

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runespoor

Yeah, I just read that page.

Oh well, I still like the idea that there were rumours of a Batlike girl in Honk Kong back before she officially took up the symbol again (which is right and true).

But more importantly, Cass being Batman.

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*Dittos your CASS4LIFE* :D

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Good GOD I loved this issue. This is totally my favorite Batman book at the moment, if not my favorite superhero book. :D

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pyrotwilight

Huzzah, Freight Train is still around!

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recognitions

What's with Alfred's look at the fourth wall? Has he been talking to Buddy Baker?

Not sure who the girl on the left is. And for some reason I thought Halo was dead.

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tsunamiwombat

Batman is fighting crime with the Rocketeer- CALL HIM WHAT YOU WANT I KNOW THE ROCKETEER WHEN I SEE HIM- life is now complete.

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jlroberson

Three things. One, is it just me, or does Burnham in this issue actually make Bruce seem...kind of sinister?

Two, when did Black Lightning become a ginormous giant? I mean, look at him. His fist is the size of the heads nearby. What the hell's that?

Third, adding in number two, what about this group of people spells "stealth" to you? Two of them give off bright flashy light. One is an ex-supermodel. And then there's Rex. Eh?

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pyrotwilight

"Two, when did Black Lightning become a ginormous giant? I mean, look at him. His fist is the size of the heads nearby. What the hell's that?"

Black Lightning's nowhere in these pages as far as I can see. Do you mean the large reddish fellow with the Outsiders? His name is Freight Train and he's a large fellow and can increase his size, though slowly.

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jlroberson

I guess that's not him, but I sure thought he was black and that it was lightning.

BL was an Outsider, though. If that's not him, then he's one of the only living originals not present.

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pyrotwilight

(Well Freight Train is black but looks reddish when using his powers)

Indeed, he's missing with the group. I think Black Lightning will presumably be leaving the Outsiders before the series officially ends (which is very soon) and this likely takes place after chronologically.

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kamino_neko

I doubt the "low maintenance" line was a dig at DiDio, but who wants to bet the internet smart alecs are going to interpret it is as such?

Having only read one issue of DiDio's Outsiders run (and even then, only under duress, because it was crossing over with a couple of the Superman titles), I don't get this comment...care to explain?

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I don't think it's a specific reference, just a suggestion that the Outsiders don't need someone very talented or capable to handle them, just throw Didio on the book and it'll be fine.

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venatosapiens

The book that was then, I think you'll recall, canceled.

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