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Greetings True Believers!

Loki is learning about what his role is to be in the Fear to come...

He needs allies, wisdom but most of all, he needs to talk to his brother.

Plus Volstagg being awesome, cuz that's what he does/is.


Odin is turning Asgard into a war machine. They're even imprisoning their enemies for use as attack dogs.

Loki isn't happy, especially with Thor's imprisonment. Volstagg takes him aside to teach him wisdom.

With goat-poop.

And of course, he's awesome.

Loki turns to the wicked bird "Ikol" for wisdom. The bird tells him to visit the World Tree and the three Nornish women who sit at it's base, whispering secrets.

Loki makes a rope of Toothgnasher and Toothgrinder's wool and dons his Asgardnaut armor and dives in.

He discovers...something.

Ikol asks him if he knows his path. Loki says he does but he needs more then counsel of a wicked bird to know if he should take this path.

Hmm, I like where this going, Loki's Dirty Dozen? Nice.

Loki frees a Hel-Wolf and binds it to him with Thor's Bregd-Thrall.

Now he must gather more allies and meet another relative.

Next issue:

Nice. I love the new dynamic with Thor and Loki. They need each other, well done Marvel!

Date: 2011-05-13 12:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
If he switched between Chaotic Evil, Chaotic Neutral and Chaotic Good, that would be one thing.

But until his rebirth as kid Loki, as far as I know in the canon comics he has always and ever been portrayed as Chaotic Evil.

Even when his actions ended up having a positive outcome (for example, the forming of the Avengers), that was never his intention. He always meant to do evil. Even when he fought by Thor's side to protect Asgard, he did so because he regarded Asgard as his, and couldn't stand the thought of somebody breaking his toys. His nature was always Chaotic Evil, regardless of the outcome, ever since his first appearance in comics.

So, if he does go back to beging a villain, that would be "staying where he is". His stunt as good-ish Loki wouldn't be "turning of the wheel", it would merely be like a tiny window against the Great Wall of China. It would simply play the "status quo is God" trope.

Date: 2011-05-14 12:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] da_reap
I dearly wish.

Hell, what I would've liked to see as far back as the Stracyznski reboot was Loki just being burned out on evil. He's betrayed, and been hated for betraying; he's ruled, and he hated ruling. He's been needing to earn a second chance all this time, to show himself as a valued part of Asgard that people could trust again. Imagine a TRUSTWORTHY Loki as the Asgardian equivalent of a Minister of Foreign Affairs! A Loki who fights by his brother's side and is partially responsible for saving the day during a mega-crossover or two!

And then, he finds himself growing bored. He can feel himself getting pettier and more spiteful, just out of ennui. Throw in a humiliating event where everyone laughs at him, and watch him start to fall again...KNOWING exactly what's happening and why, knowing the outcome as well. I think if you gave it a couple of years to happen, that would be a HELLACIOUSLY awesome way to rebuild him as a villain.

Date: 2011-05-14 02:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
This stunt as good-ish like his childhood with Thor before he went completely chaotic

But it has been recently retconned that Loki was bad all along, even as a child. It happened in the story where he travels back in time to orchestrate his own adoption.

Granted, his biological father was a violent child-beating asshole, and deserved everything he got and worse. But still, a small child coldly plotted the murder of his own father. And Loki didn't stop at that, the very next page that showed him just arrived in Asgard and getting dressed in Asgardian clothes had him immediately start plotting against the Asgardians with an hateful look in his eyes.

Supposedly, all the flashbacks showing young Thor and Loki getting along were due to the Unreliable Narrator trope: they were told from Thor's pov, and Thor never suspected that his brother secretly hated his guts.

...I have to say, personally, I HATE that retcon. I really loathe the idea that Loki was bad all along. It completely destroys the great tragedy (yes, this I consider a great tragedy) of an innocent child slowly growing to hate his own brother out of jealously and a feeling of inferiority. If Loki always hated Thor from the moment they met and was just very good at hiding it, there is no drama, no character development, no sense of loss, nothing.

Still, my personal feelings aside, the story is canon now. So kid Loki's goodness isn't a return to his original state, it's something brand-new.


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