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zechs80 ([personal profile] zechs80) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2011-05-28 16:34

Robin #161-162 & Batman & The Outsiders #2

Well, now. You haven't succumb to madness or frustration after Cass's final bout of EVIL in Titans East? Well guess what? It isn't over! This is the final chapter of Cassandra Cain's villainous career of being EVIL and her stepping back into the side of light.




Like I said in my previous post in Titans East. Two appearances of Cass in other books went side-by-side with Titans East. The first was the set-up of her fall in World War III. For the second appearance, it was in Robin #161-162. So just as she was being undone as EVIL this was her final appearance on the dark side. The story arc itself was Robin dealing with a new drug that was dealing with some lethal steroids. An entire gang over dosed and decided to rampage through the streets of Gotham leaving Tim to stop him. However, if that wasn't enough Tim ran into a special forces unit sent by the makers of the drug to clean up this mess. However the gang weren't the only ones to steal away some vials of this drug. Enter Beechen's nemesis for Tim during his run, Dodge:







So the next issue Tim confronts the mastermind behind the drug:







One would assume this took place before Titans East. All the signs are there to suggest it. The shadowy figure had to be Slade right?



*sigh* Yes, this takes place AFTER Titans East. Of course we didn't find out about this until Beechen's Batgirl mini where he cleared up this dangling plot thread (and every Cass related plot hole from his run). Ladies and gentlemen I present to you.. the Wall of EXPOSITION:





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There's only one video I think that can best sum up this. Besides more DEEP HURTING:



So that's the answer Beechen gave us when he wrote the Batgirl mini (the pages where from #1). But that wasn't until late 2008. Cass appeared again way earlier than that. In Batman & the Outsiders #2:






Okay maybe not the best grant heroic return, and it was never explained how Cass made up to Thunder. Since in the next issue we got the famous (or infamous?) scene of Grace and Thunder talking then watching as Cass strolled in her birthday suit and got a glass of orange juice. So I guess we have to classify this situation as some good natured brawling:




Now my reason as to why I'm posting these images is due to the fact that Beechen wasn't the one who originally was going to tell the tale of Cass's redemption back into the Bat Family. In actuality, that was going to fall to Chuck Dixon, the writer of the above pages from B&O.

This was mentioned in a podcast interview he had with Newsarama (alas the link has been taken down when the new owners of the website decided to cleanse the old forum of Rama). It used to be here:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=138291

He confirmed in the podcast that he was going to write a fill-in issue of Detective Comics that would detail Cass coming to Bruce and how she earned her way back into the Bat Family. Of course, we know the history of what happened next. Dixon and DC had a falling out (probably due to Batman R.I.P. plot-lines or editorial) all we have in the end are crackpot theories and hearsay. Regardless, Dixon left DC and the script wherever it is lost. Unless someone asks Chuck Dixon about it. Or the artist posts some pages of the unfinished storyline (like a "Moth to a Flame" a lost Batgirl story (that was supposed to be a fill-in issue) which artist Javier Saltares has posted up on Devi Art. I'd be VERY curious to look at that script.

So there it is. The entire villainous career of Cassandra Cain posted on S_D. Dare I continue this journey and post the Beechen mini?

fifthie: tastes the best (Default)

[personal profile] fifthie 2011-05-28 22:44 (UTC)(link)
I will find you and I will end you
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[identity profile] inthefuturethereisnofuture.blogspot.com 2011-05-28 22:49 (UTC)(link)
Well this just makes me nervous.
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[personal profile] nezchan 2011-05-28 23:26 (UTC)(link)
It's the only rational thing to do.
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[personal profile] xammax 2011-05-29 00:01 (UTC)(link)
These are the greatest posts of all time.
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[personal profile] joasakura 2011-05-29 15:20 (UTC)(link)
So, what are you going to do with all the pure, crystallized anguish you've generated, you evil bastard, you?
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[personal profile] pepperspray101 2011-05-29 05:29 (UTC)(link)
SECONDING. ZECHS YOU ARE EVIL EVIL EVIL!
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[personal profile] starwolf_oakley 2011-05-28 23:09 (UTC)(link)
A parody of the miniseries had "Words words words."
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[personal profile] q99 2011-05-29 05:08 (UTC)(link)
Yay :) Turns out the rest of the mini was lame too.
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[personal profile] thanekos 2011-05-28 23:11 (UTC)(link)
League mystics? So, what, members who took a spa training course?
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[personal profile] domino_blue 2011-05-29 04:55 (UTC)(link)
I can see the problem when reading this it's like Cass isn't even the same character.
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[personal profile] jaybee3 2011-05-29 05:54 (UTC)(link)
I like to think of her as the Cass Cain from one of the Countdown worlds who somehow got here and took over Cass's life while she vacationing.
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[personal profile] domino_blue 2011-05-29 06:01 (UTC)(link)
Let me tell you this when I saw her for the first time I didn't even think it was Cass.
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[personal profile] q99 2011-05-29 05:06 (UTC)(link)
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Now my reason as to why I'm posting these images is due to the fact that Beechen wasn't the one who originally was going to tell the tale of Cass's redemption back into the Bat Family. In actuality, that was going to fall to Chuck Dixon, the writer of the above pages from B&O. -

That would've been so much better. Since Dixon seemed to, y'know, actually respect the character.

-Dare I continue this journey and post the Beechen mini?-

Maybe, but really I think more B&O stuff would be a nice antidote to this :)
pepperspray101: Cass Cain is searching for an answer (Default)

[personal profile] pepperspray101 2011-05-29 05:32 (UTC)(link)
Tho sometimes I think he got her wrong...(Green ArrowConner crossover anyone?)...but yes, agreed, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN WORSE than the blasted mini. >_
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[personal profile] q99 2011-05-29 05:39 (UTC)(link)
The Green Arrow crossover could've had her better, but wasn't too far off, and her in Outsiders was even better IMO.

I mean, Dixon could've phoned it in and it'd be much better, if he tried it'd be great.
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[personal profile] q99 2011-05-29 07:09 (UTC)(link)
That would be a neat bit to post :)
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[personal profile] jaybee3 2011-05-30 04:24 (UTC)(link)
-Dare I continue this journey and post the Beechen mini?-

Do you like causing pain to people? ;) Sorry, couldn't resist.
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[personal profile] avantre 2011-05-29 05:20 (UTC)(link)
It must have cost a lot to commission all those artists to draw all these fake Evil Cass comics for you. I say that because clearly it could not have ever happened in the real DC Comics. I repeat - It Never Happened.
pepperspray101: Daedalus raising an eyebrow (*raised eyebrow*)

[personal profile] pepperspray101 2011-05-29 05:31 (UTC)(link)
....I LIKE YOUR THINKING. May I subscribe to it??
pepperspray101: Cass Cain helping Nightwing (F U Beechen)

[personal profile] pepperspray101 2011-05-29 05:34 (UTC)(link)
s-stomach hurting again. ow...cannot make myself even read those pages again. guh...even the art hurts to look at. Why DC? WHY DID YOU HURT ME SOO???
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[personal profile] pepperspray101 2011-05-29 20:05 (UTC)(link)
*SITS HER 122 lbs ALL ON YOU* SHUDDUP!
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[personal profile] q99 2011-05-29 07:10 (UTC)(link)
You know, I had completely missed the fact that Beechen included the after-the-Titans murder in his wall of text the first time around.
pepperspray101: Baby Terry is happily making a mess (Happy)

[personal profile] pepperspray101 2011-05-29 20:04 (UTC)(link)
"QUIET, CASS, THE MEN ARE TALKING!"

ROFL...
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[personal profile] an_idol_mind 2011-05-29 21:19 (UTC)(link)
As before, I have no emotional investment in Cass as a character. I just have to say that the wall of exposition is hideous and should never appear in any comic book ever.
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[personal profile] turtlefu 2011-05-30 19:47 (UTC)(link)
So, is the dyslexia still written out of Cass's character? Because that was something that was interesting and made her different from the other Asian Martial Artists.

[personal profile] ebailey140 2011-05-31 03:24 (UTC)(link)
Gates of Gotham has her speaking like a normal person.





Red Robin has been her only post-RIP appearance where she's talked like she did way back when.