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Kingston C. Rockwell ([personal profile] kingrockwell) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2009-05-12 01:47

Why you don't mess with Sue Richards


A little late for Mother's Day...

I don't remember the context, really, since it's been around sixteen years since I've read the story, but this exchange has never been far from my thoughts any time I've seen Sue since.

The mini-series had something to do with Doom being a dick and making like a good guy to the X-Men so they'd help defend him against the FF for...something. This is right at the end, after everything's settled, everyone's making their amends. All of them are a little tense to see Doom and Sue are chatting, expecting it to reopen the wound and start the big fight over again.


Sorry for the crooked scans. I read this story when I was a kid (it was probably at least five years old after it came out, because I'm not much older than it) and this part always stuck out with me because it's the first time I ever encountered a strong female character in comics. It kind of ingrained idea that Reed might be the smartest, Ben might be the strongest, and Johnny might be the funnest, but Sue is most certainly the most powerful of the Fantastic Four. She is no one to be trifled with, and definitely someone whose family you don't put in jeopardy. This blew my seven-year-old mind.

[identity profile] killermoth1.insanejournal.com 2009-05-12 05:26 (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, but when I say this I'm not trying to make any kind of statement, but I've never found that "She's independent, strong and doesn't need a man to back them up" spirit to be a very boring and cliche one. Not to say that great characters don't work great under that, but they have to be more. I love Black Canary, but it took me a long time before I did because I just came across stories that portrayed that "I'm not taking crap from nobody!" annoying attitude.

Now I'm not a huge Marvel reader, but the reason I really like Sue is not because she's the most powerful or not to be trifled with (though that is cool, if overused), it's because she tends to make the most sense, glue the team together and generally be the opposite of the whiny Alba movie version. Just like in these scans the part I love is her ending monologue. Couldn't care less about her power bluff (or not-bluff as it is), but that she is a person more than many that understands what really matters.

But yeah, just my opinion.

[identity profile] killermoth1.insanejournal.com 2009-05-12 05:27 (UTC)(link)
Sorry, meant to say I DID find the "independent yadda yadda" to be boring.

[identity profile] killermoth1.insanejournal.com 2009-05-12 16:11 (UTC)(link)
Oh no, I'm not attacking your opinion, sorry if it felt that way. I was just expressing how I like this scene for showing more than "A woman? Powerful!?" sort of thing.

[identity profile] mari_redstar.insanejournal.com 2009-05-12 17:33 (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I know what you mean- especially when it's used as a Band-Aid, like writing "She is so powerful and independent!" in another character's thought bubble will totally make up for the woman in question being the only female-type on the team and/or not wearing any pants. Sure, she's never headed even one big-budget movie*, but we just told you how powerful she was! Isn't that enough? Why aren't you happy with that?

Not that I think Sue comes across that way in the scans, though- that is a reasonably badass move, telling Doom cheerfully how you would win so hard you can't be bothered to fight him 'cause you have better things to do like maybe clean your tile grout, and then sauntering off without looking at him, because he's obviously no threat at all.

*Odds are. Especially considering that the Halle Berry Catwoman wasn't actually about Selina Kyle.