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Way back when Marvel's Ultimate Universe line was becoming popular, Wizard Magazine commissioned a series of pictures of what various characters and groups from the DCU would look like if DC decided to follow Marvel's example and have an "Ultimatised" universe.

Here are the ones I've found so far.

The Flash - I think that this one actually works, possibly because at the speeds he runs he'd presumably get a lot of bugs in his eyes and mouth... Nah, he's probably bugproof because of the Speed Force or something. And why not, it does everything else they can't explain the Flash books.


Superman - This one I'm a bit more blaise about. The use of the Kingdom Come "S" Symbol is interesting and invokes a futuristic feel to the rest of the outfit, which is kind of apt for "the Man of Tomorrow". Like it more than the ACTUAL DC reboot version, though that's just me. Probably wouldn't read this as a series though, as reading yet another Superman origin story would bore the pants off of me. Just jump straight into his early career just after his introduction if need be.


Green Lantern - to be absolutely honest, I'm very much a John Stewart fan when it comes to my Green Lanterns, probably because my love of JLU and the DCU to be honest. IF he had been Earth's only Green Lantern I'd have been cool with it, as most of the time he has the maturity and focus to actual sell the character without devolving into Hal Jordan. Seriously, if John was the star of the movie it might have actually made some money.


Batman - this one I really like. Has the essentials of the costume, but adds additional armour and rivets to actually make it look like it could stop the frequent gunfire that accompanies Bruce's nightjob. I also like the little details like the holster for his grappling gun, which makes for a more logical accessory to the belt than the current method, which I believe involve Bruce clenching it between his buttocks when he's not using it. Commissioner Gordon as Morgan Freeman is a nice touch, possibly a reference to Samuel L. Jackson being cast as Nick Fury over in the U.M., and since this was made YEARS before Batman Begins Mr Freeman being attached to the Bat Franchise here is just a coincidence. Heh, and I just realised that if he were the Commissioner than that would technically mean that would be the only appearance of an African American version of Batgirl as well, which would have been interesting to see.


And now the groups!

First the Teen Titans. I like Cyborg's design, it's a lot more streamlined than the current one, which seems as graceful as a Cyberman a lot of the time. I also like that he has more of his face exposed, which makes him seem more human whilst the loss of the fleshy sections on the arms paradoxically makes him seem more machine-like.

GothRaven I guess looks sort of interesting, though it depends massively how they were going to portray the character in the series. A girl who was raised in another dimension by monks or something would be less included to dress like that than a girl from this universe who had her powers and parentage suddenly thrust upon her for example.

Aqualad... well, he's shiny. I'll give him that. I do get a royal vibe from him, though I'm not really that up with the costume to be honest. It could work I guess, the fishscales incorpered into his trousers is interesting.

Robin's outfit...kind of works... I guess? There seem to be several elements in there that seem to have been used in later Robin designs, the mask looks like the lower half of Tim's Red Robin cowl for example, and I guess that it works as a balance to the above Batman picture but... Just seems a little off.

Donna, no. No, no, no. Nooo. I get that presumably she's meant to be filling in Starfire's role as "the sexy one", but this is just BAD. And the boots look stupid.

Roy pretty much looks exactly the same as Olle does in the comics. It's a good outfit, but it's kind of weird seeing him in green.


The JLA: first in silhouette!


Then beating up Despero!


Alright, Bruce, Clark, Barry(?) I've covered, now the rest.

Wonder Woman: Not a fan, fails for the same reasons that Donna's does in the one above, in that because she's "the Sexy One" she's give the most revealling costume. Admittedly being Wonder Woman she technically doesn't need to wear armour as she's been submerged in molten metal before and come out unharmed, but it doesn't really scream "representative of an ancient culture and member of its Royal Family". Being able to see her butt every time there's a slight breeze would also make her loose cred with the diplomatic community. I guess that in story she could fill the role that Thor did in the first two series of the Ultimates, with no one believing her stories of being an Amazon created from clay and given life by the Gods, which would be an interesting slant in her story, I think.

The Atom: the costume looks good, and I am intrigued by this African American female Atom. Who is she? If she's the Atom does this mean that Ray Palmer hopefully doesn't exist? Would they end up pairing her up with John just because she's the only other black person in the group, which is something I've seen before in fiction and I think that it's stupid.

The Martian Manhunter: J'onn seems to be riffing ET in his appearance here, which I think is interesting for a number of reasons. Him being kind of squat is an interesting deviation from the normal human-sized and shaped version, or the version where he's taller and more willowy than a human being. Him being kind of short and dumpy could be translated as him being effected by Earth having greater gravity than Mars... I think, which would in theory be why he's in the control-room instead of fighting Destro.

For legality, Teen Titans goes Meta!
I seems that Kid Devil was a fan of Hellblazer. Which means that Hellblazer is fictional in the DCU, even though it has characters from the DCU in it, some of whom Kid Devil probably met, like Zatanna who was his best friend's cousin.

I guess that it could be interpreted that since John is something of a celebrity, both from his punk rock days and his magical reputation, that some of his exploits have been turned into comic stories after being filtered through the writers' imaginations, but it's still kinda weird.
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:13 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Why didyou have to post that?!?! I miss Rose and Eddie :(

Date: 2011-06-20 12:15 am (UTC)
ladytimedramon: Arthur from Sheldon Comics by Dave Kellet (arthur hero)
From: [personal profile] ladytimedramon
Saw this a long time ago.

Same comment then as now.

Beast Boy... ignored as usual.

Date: 2011-06-20 12:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cypherfdp
Very cool, but I hate that Robin costume. I don't know what it is but EYUGHHHH.

And Diana's tiara looks odd with the tip pointed down.

Date: 2011-06-20 12:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cypherfdp
For those interested, here's the full Ultimate Wonder Woman design.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7697/ultimatewonderwoman.jpg

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I kinda like that

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Date: 2011-06-20 01:09 am (UTC)
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which I believe involve Bruce clenching it between his buttocks when he's not using it.

Insert own joke about Bruce being a tight ass or having something up his bum here.

Date: 2011-06-20 01:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] darkblade
I can't stop laughing at the overly blinged Aqualad.

Date: 2011-06-20 01:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] autumn_lily
That and it looks like Raven is displaying Cyborg's crotch on a wreath of magic fanfare.

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Date: 2011-06-20 01:20 am (UTC)
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Whatever did happen to Eddie and Rose?

As for the team, everyone except John's outfit makes me vaguely to very unhappy, Flash especially. Although his suit is arguably more practical now.

Date: 2011-06-20 01:25 am (UTC)
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Rose was cockteasing him, and then he died.

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Date: 2011-06-20 01:36 am (UTC)
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I wish I didn't find John Stewart so boring in JLU, mostly because that's the version most people seem to be referring to when they talk about how cool the character is. I always just found him...dull. I wouldn't want to read a comic staring that version of the character. I've always liked him in the comics, not so much in the cartoon.

I'm trying to remember if that's the Superman costume Tim Gunn really liked when he was going over superhero costumes...

Date: 2011-06-20 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] omgwtflolbbqbye
I thought the Dr. Destiny episode was sort of an interesting glimpse at a personal conflict that the show never explored otherwise, which was that by joining the Lantern Corps he feels like he was loosing perspective and touch with his humanity and roots.

It made a good setup for a homage to the Green Arrow and GL series where they went around trying to solve some 'small town' issues.

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Date: 2011-06-20 01:57 am (UTC)
grazzt: (Default)
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Are you sure that's Roy? If it's an ultimate version, they may have simply deaged Ollie: I think that would work fairly well for Green Arrow. The same goes for "Aqualad": it might just be a deaged Arthur Curry.

Date: 2011-06-20 02:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simiansyndicate
Actually, yes, that's supposed to be Ollie.

And Aqualad has no relation to Aquaman at all: in fact, none of these characters have anything to do with the heroes they traditionally come from.

The story behind them is that Lex Luthor saw "new heroes" teaming up and wanted his own similar superteam that he could manipulate, to have become public darlings. Think "Real World" shenanigans meets superheroes.

So Robin never worked with Batman, Wonder Girl never met Wonder Woman, and Raven was a goth girl who might be half-demon. Everyone on the team was given their codenames and powers by the Ultimate Luthor. Neat, huh?

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Date: 2011-06-20 02:14 am (UTC)
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Neat post, especially GL and JLA - funny how what DC is doing is kind of like making an Ultimate U.

I liked Wizard's commissions. Sometimes they were fun (like Alter Ego's covers). Wouldn't mind seeing more if you had them. There was this Phil Jimenez one for an April Fools Day with Swamp Thing and either Teen Titans or a Crisis theme that a friend of mine had ages ago.

Date: 2011-06-20 01:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I liked the Alex Ross "Wonder Twins" one...

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Date: 2011-06-20 02:17 am (UTC)
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Looking again at the Flash one makes me wonder who the Reverse-Flash/Black Flash? is. Kinda looks like a grownup Wally. Would be interesting if DC went this route in their nU, with either Wally or Bart being his sidekick, but his greatest villain when he grows up and coming from the future as an adult to fight Barry. But only Barry knows who he is and can never tell.

Date: 2011-06-20 02:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simiansyndicate
I remember the details from these when it came out. And you're right, the "big twist" idea for the Ultimate Flash was that the reverse/Black Flash was a Vengeful Future Wally, pissed that Barry wasn't able to save Iris when she needed him the most.

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Date: 2011-06-20 02:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chocochuy
Except for the lack of a belt, I like this new design for Superman.

Date: 2011-06-20 02:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] turtlefu
YES!!!!

I mentioned this a while back on the DCnU talks. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting this! This is the one and only issue of Wizard I ever bought.

Some comments:

I LOVE John as GL. He is favorite, he definitely has the most character. I find Hal boring and Guy one-note. Kyle is okay, but John is my FAVORITE.

Wonder Woman costume. This comes closer to what I want it to be, something like what the Spartans wore. She's a warrior, she should LOOK like one. I like the pleated skirt (on her blouse though) and the helmet.

J'onn as a Oracle type figure is pretty cool, but the ET look sucks.

Finally, Atom. Like you said they would probably pair her up with John. Something I liked about the JLU series was that John was paired up with Hawkwoman. In a sense, it was interracial (bucking trends and stereotypes!) but it was really interspecies I guess?

Date: 2011-06-20 05:36 am (UTC)
omnipotent: (Default)
From: [personal profile] omnipotent
I'm so glad I'm not the only one with love for John. I like Hal and Kyle, but John is my favorite. Guy is a bit much for me sometimes.

Date: 2011-06-20 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] omgwtflolbbqbye
I really love the design for Ultimate Batman as well.

And I actually thought it when DC revealed their "Batman Earth-One" design last year:

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2009/12/batman_fnl3.jpg

Looks kind of similar, no?

BTW, can someone tell me how to embed images for future reference?

Date: 2011-06-20 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
On posts, there's an editor for it. For comments, there's a html code: Just replace the underscores.

Date: 2011-06-20 03:00 am (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Well, aside from the fact that the Ultimate DCU was already done--it was called JMS' Squadron Supreme--it's stuff that we've either kind of seen before or reflect the artist's personal tastes (he sure does like his lace-up bustiers, eh?).

Date: 2011-06-20 03:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] auggie18
Wonder Girl, played here by the Ultimate Universe's Scarlet Witch! Sweet Rusty Collins, though, all of the Titans look awful. Except maybe Aqualad. Possibly Cyborg and Speedy too, would have to see them at different angles.

When Wonder Woman was in silhouette, I thought the costume looked really cool, enormously badass while still maintaining a strong Wonder vibe. It also kinda looked like it had pants. Then the un-silhouetted version ruined that happy delusion.

Date: 2011-06-20 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
"Commissioner Gordon as Morgan Freeman is a nice touch, possibly a reference to Samuel L. Jackson being cast as Nick Fury over in the U.M."

Honestly, I remember when I first saw the movie Se7en I thought to myself, "Morgan Freeman's basically playing Jim Gordon without Batman by his side."

Anyways--while I like more or less the costumes for the DCnU (the corresponding ones, at the very least), I wouldn't mind if some of these were used either.

Date: 2011-06-20 04:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
Other then Batman, those costumes are hideous. Aquaman looks like a club Go-Go dancer.

Date: 2011-06-20 04:29 am (UTC)
lucky_gamble: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lucky_gamble
One might as well have the words "The Male Gaze" written across Wonder Woman's and Donna's foreheads. Ugh. I am loving Batman's costume though.

Date: 2011-06-20 04:49 am (UTC)
mullon: (Starfire)
From: [personal profile] mullon
Man, when you make Raven's normal costume look reasonable...

Date: 2011-06-20 06:54 am (UTC)
golden_orange: trust me, i'm wearing a vegetable. (Default)
From: [personal profile] golden_orange
I am digging Morgan Freeman as Commissioner Gordon.

And is Atom by any chance an Asian woman? I'm guessing a riff on Ultimate Wasp there.

Date: 2011-06-21 05:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bariman
It's the hat. Everyone digs the hat.

I vaguely recall that the Atom here was supposed to be a black woman.

Date: 2011-06-20 08:58 am (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Those are actually...pretty okay :)
Not fan of slutty gypsy Wanda ripoff-Donna Troy.
Wonder Woman...I'm okay with that. It's easily 100 times better than both Jim Lee redesigns.

Date: 2011-06-20 12:12 pm (UTC)
indy2012: (Default)
From: [personal profile] indy2012
Hmm... I saw this years ago, and I actually liked the Wonder Woman costume back then. Now I think it's hideous. Although I do love the giant golden battle axe.

And I just noticed Batman's cape: it seems to almost originate from the chest symbol, meaning that when the cape is closed, the symbol would still be visible, a neat visual, especially when Bats is coming out of the shadows and making a nice padded target for the criminals to shoot, the in-canon explanation for the yellow symbol.

Date: 2011-06-20 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lonewolf23k
Only the Batman and Flash pics are showing for me. Can you post the image links?

Date: 2011-06-20 01:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The Batman one isn't bad, but teh rivets on the cowl are very distracting, and the boots just plain don't work for me, Batman is a gymnast and acrobat too, wearing army boots makes that a little harder to take seriously than it usually is. IMHO Batman should be streamlined and sleek, not weighed down by such a solid utility belt and heavy duty boots.

Date: 2011-06-20 08:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] karunya
It's really depressing me that I can't have THIS instead of the DCnU. While there are some low points, I'd rather be reading/watching these guys/gals than what seems to be coming in the near future.

Couldn't help but notice that the Superman costume has that same @#$%ed mandarin collar thing which they're using in the JLA reboot.

While I actually love Tim's new feathers, I like this even better. He looks so comfortable and confident -- a natural leader. And Cyborg -- well, hellooooo there, you shiny thang! Come on over anytime, and bring all your attachments.
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