scans_daily: "You win wars with guts."

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@ 2011-06-24 01:42 pm UTC

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char: captain america/steve rogers, char: winter soldier/james bucky barnes, creator: butch guice

"You win wars with guts."

The newest trailer for the Captain America: The First Avenger film, complete with a lot more dialogue than previous trailers.

Legality:

The trailer. Thoughts:

- Increasingly, I'm thinking this might be the best superhero film of the summer (and I liked Thor and X-Men: First Class quite a lot).

- There's a lot more character stuff than previous trailers; in particular, Peggy gets a lot of dialogue, and I think she's shaping up very nicely. Hayley Atwell I already knew was a good fit for this period in history (Brideshead Revisited), and unlike a lot of superhero love interests she's gorgeous while not looking or sounding like a bad fit for her supposed occupation (hello, scientist Jessica Alba).

- I also like what we see/hear of Erskine. Despite being such a pivotal figure in Steve's backstory, he's a pretty undefined figure in the comics. I assume Howard Stark is there to take over as Steve's Q after Erskine dies.

- The role of army colonel, whatever the era, fits Tommy Lee Jones like a glove.

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	Looks better than Green Lantern - at least Cap didn't run away jazzypom 2011-06-24 05:35 pm UTC (link)
	still seethes at the money I spent to see that film seethes Captain America - I'll be there with bells on. It can't be worse than Green Lantern, and that's aces. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 32 comments) (Show 32 comments)

	Re: Looks better than Green Lantern - at least Cap didn't run away stubbleupdate 2011-06-24 06:04 pm UTC (link)
	I was toying with the idea of seeing Green Lantern until I read one one-line review. Then everything else that I read echoed that review. In contrast, I heard some mixed things about First Class and loved it to bits. I do hope that there's an extended recruitment montage on the DVD. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 31 comments) (Show 31 comments)

	Re: Looks better than Green Lantern - at least Cap didn't run away icon_uk 2011-06-24 06:15 pm UTC (link)
	I've read some bad reviews, but some good word of mouth on GL. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 15 comments) (Show 15 comments)

	Re: Looks better than Green Lantern - at least Cap didn't run away colonel_green 2011-06-24 06:17 pm UTC (link)
	The only person I know who saw it said he didn't think it was as bad as the reviews said, but still wasn't a good movie; his main criticism was it trying to do way too much. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

	Re: Looks better than Green Lantern - at least Cap didn't run away icon_uk 2011-06-24 06:30 pm UTC (link)
	Pretty much word for word what I'd heard, except more positively phrased. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

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endis_ni
2011-06-24 07:41 pm UTC (link)

The CGI was usually spectacular and Ryan Reynold's arse was a treat to behold, but apart from that it was grindingly...no, wait, I've got it. You know the action movies in the 80s where the hero is witty but oh so insecure due to his Manpain? Then you get a montage with a power ballad behind it, and suddenly he's flying around kicking arse?

Yeah. We were robbed of a montage with a power ballad, but the same basic arc is there.

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	Re: Looks better than Green Lantern - at least Cap didn't run away kusonaga 2011-06-24 08:52 pm UTC (link)
	That was sounding good until the last sentence. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	Re: Looks better than Green Lantern - at least Cap didn't run away liara_shadowsong 2011-06-25 02:59 pm UTC (link)
	What's the point of that kind of classically cheesy setup if they aren't even going to give us a montage with a power ballad? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	Re: Looks better than Green Lantern - at least Cap didn't run away lieut_kettch 2011-06-25 03:26 am UTC (link)
	My hopes for the franchise are that it goes the way of the Star Trek movies-- the first movie sucked, and was more special effects than story-- then you get The Wrath of ~~Sinestro~~Khan. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	There's going to be a second GL? jazzypom 2011-06-25 03:06 pm UTC (link)
	Lawd. Well, if Mark Strong is still around as Sinestro, that will be good. He'll make a great villain - snaggle tooth and all. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	Spoilers ahoy! lieut_kettch 2011-06-26 05:49 am UTC (link)
	The end-credit sequence does everything short of putting up a "SEQUEL" sign in glowing neon letters. Mark Strong as Sinestro is shown putting on a yellow ring, and, as he's bathed in yellow energy, his GLC uniform morphs into a Sinestro Corps one. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

Yeah, I saw that -

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Green Lantern - don't

jazzypom
2011-06-24 06:34 pm UTC (link)

Seriously. Don't.

It's gotten to the point where I'm taking a second look at people who said that they liked the movie. As in, "You liked Green Lantern?! Your point is invalid."

Green Lantern is the movie you'd watch on Network TV on a Sunday night whilst knitting, or sewing, or hoovering. Some sort of background noise as a sound track to a chore that must be done. But as a movie where you expect to be wowed by character, story and graphics?

Man, no.

I know that it tacks close to the canon story, but it entertained the worst aspects of movies of this sort of genre. Whereas X-men First Class and Thor felt as if they are pushing against the boundaries of the genre in a good way, this move actually felt regressive.

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	Re: Green Lantern - don't equinox216 2011-06-25 04:38 am UTC (link)
	There'll always be movies where, when someone says they like them, you reassess your entire relationship with them and your opinions of their intelligence/taste/organs' values on the black market. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	Re: Green Lantern - don't liara_shadowsong 2011-06-25 03:01 pm UTC (link)
	So I should wait until Green Lantern goes on cable to see it, and be sure to have my sketchbook and latest crocheting project handy when I do? Good to know, thanks. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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jazzypom
2011-06-25 03:04 pm UTC (link)

So I should wait until Green Lantern goes on cable to see it, and be sure to have my sketchbook and latest crocheting project handy when I do? Good to know, thanks.

Exactamundo. I mean, I'm all for paying creators what they are due, and everything but, if I knew then what I know now, I'd have torrented the movie and still feel bad because I wasted two hours I will never get back seeing it.

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Man, Green Lantern

jazzypom
2011-06-24 06:26 pm UTC (link)

My hate for that movie is deep and long. I hope DC never makes another comic movie again if it's going to be along the lines of that drek. Green Lantern.

UGH.

You weren't moved to either fear nor cheer for Hal Jordan. The movie felt dated in the worst way. Hal is tapped for his talent, weighed down and wallowing in his weakness until the last fifteen minutes of the movie, and I didn't care by then.

How can you have the best actor playing the villain since Alan Rickman and not use him? Mark Strong is the business, and they relegated him as a second string in lieu of that gormless villain who was just as bad as Hal Jordan was - just not as good looking. Bleh.

X-men: First Class - as soon as I heard Matthew Vaughn was the director with Goldman as screen writer, I was sold. I've liked his deft touch at the camera since Layer Cake and it didn't hurt that he's a man who likes actors and was gunning for Fassbender for a while (hail to google alerts for x-men first class from when the director was attached).

Emotionally, X-men: First Class was the movie I waited twenty years for. Intellectually, I do have a few issues with the racial optics and the frisson of appropriation, but at the end of the day, Vaughn did good.

This will be the first comic DVD movie I'll be buying. Yes, indeedy.

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stubbleupdate
2011-06-24 07:36 pm UTC (link)

I had such a boner for Magneto during that film. I could watch lots and lots of scenes of

Magneto killing Nazis.

The fact that they included the best bit from all of the X-Men films, with young Erik and the gates of the camp let me know that it was going to be a good film early on.

My girlfriend threatened to sit somewhere else when Erik and Charles were doing their recruitment tour and I lost it for the cameo in the bar.

First Class is probably the best Marvel film since Iron Man and the best superhero film since Dark Knight. I loved it, though the retro vibe does give it bonus points for me.

Green Lantern... I don't really want to see. I've been told that if it was released ten years ago, the studio could have got away with it, but the bar has been raised too high for a film like that to get pass marks.

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	Re: Man, Green Lantern endis_ni 2011-06-24 07:43 pm UTC (link)
	...I just need to check this isn't me here. Did anyone else watching this movie have to resist the urge to yell "for pity's sake, JUST KISS" (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	Re: Man, Green Lantern stubbleupdate 2011-06-24 07:44 pm UTC (link)
	Mrs Update did comment on how gay it all was. I don't see anything gay about lying in bed with another man, drinking tea, while a lady takes her clothes off for you. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 6 comments) (Show 6 comments)

	Re: Man, Green Lantern salinea 2011-06-24 07:49 pm UTC (link)
	true, it's no so much gay as bisexual ^_^ (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

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The satellite scene

jazzypom
2011-06-24 08:00 pm UTC (link)

The music Between Rage and Serenity as well as the acting and the memory. Then when the lads laughed and their heads brushed together the air felt electric. Then Moira broke it and called them to watch the newscast.

At the beach scene as well.

But I'll say this, the movie was so good on the emotion, the chemistry between the leads so great, that the fanfiction from this movie doesn't really compare.

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	Re: Man, Green Lantern kenwyn89 2011-06-24 07:49 pm UTC (link)
	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQL5TU9VFA&feature=relmfu - this sums it all up quite well :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	Re: Man, Green Lantern endis_ni 2011-06-24 09:33 pm UTC (link)
	This fills me with evil glee! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

I've said that!

jazzypom
2011-06-24 07:55 pm UTC (link)

Green Lantern... I don't really want to see. I've been told that if it was released ten years ago, the studio could have got away with it, but the bar has been raised too high for a film like that to get pass marks

I actually said that the movie felt regressive on twitter a couple of days ago. After the first Toby Mcquire Spiderman movies, and Marvel comics just getting in there and doing their thing, comic book movies have moved way down the road since then.

Green Lantern just felt very Silver Age, in a way that just doesn't work today because it comes off as self indulgent and pretty thin. Terrible movie, terrible. Wait for it to come on network TV if you can.

My only beef with X-men : First Class is the whole racial optics of the movie. In that they have the pocs either being cynical or dead *gag* when in the same breath, they pretty much appropriated certain things of the Civil Rights Movement (like Erik and Charles sitting on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial - the same place where Martin Luther King Jnr gave his "I Have A Dream" speech, with the water feature and stone monument in the background. It really disturbs me what they did with Darwin and Angel, because the rest of the movie was so thoughtfully considered, and yet they fell down on that one, even though the actors and everyone did speak at length about Erik and Charles similar to MLKJnr and Malcolm X.

I think Erik as someone who 'passes' somewhat soothed that burn for me, in that Erik's invisible, but knows the cost of what it takes to be visible, which is why he cautions Charles about, "That's how it starts, first identification, then we get rounded up and destroyed."

I love X-men: First Class despite that fault, and it's a glaring fault. I'm also glad that comics blogs called the movie on the racial optics though, whilst praising it. Somewhere along the line, we've matured a little. Go, us.

All this to say though, the fact that a comic book can actually have discussions like this? Aces.

Green Lantern is a disappointment on all levels.

My girlfriend threatened to sit somewhere else when Erik and Charles were doing their recruitment tour and I lost it for the cameo in the bar.

During the satellite scene, my partner was all. "A love story? You took me to a love story?" He liked the movie, but just didn't expect it to be so emotional.

I've watched Batman and the movies are engaging, but they haven't stayed with me or tugged at my heart strings as much as X-men: First Class. This is the movie I wanted to see about Charles Xavier and Erik Lehnsherr since 1985.

Thank you, Matthew Vaughn - scandal with January Jones aside.

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	Re: Man, Green Lantern ian_karkull 2011-06-24 08:21 pm UTC (link)
	I don't care what your orientation is, if you don't have massive boners for Michael Fassbender, you are physically and emotionally dead. That man does not know how to act bad, he's is like some weird sort of Bizarro Nicholas Cage that way. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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There's going to be a second GL?

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