scans_daily: "You win wars with guts."

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@ 2011-06-24 01:42 pm UTC

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char: captain america/steve rogers, char: winter soldier/james bucky barnes, creator: butch guice

"You win wars with guts."

The newest trailer for the Captain America: The First Avenger film, complete with a lot more dialogue than previous trailers.

Legality:

The trailer. Thoughts:

- Increasingly, I'm thinking this might be the best superhero film of the summer (and I liked Thor and X-Men: First Class quite a lot).

- There's a lot more character stuff than previous trailers; in particular, Peggy gets a lot of dialogue, and I think she's shaping up very nicely. Hayley Atwell I already knew was a good fit for this period in history (Brideshead Revisited), and unlike a lot of superhero love interests she's gorgeous while not looking or sounding like a bad fit for her supposed occupation (hello, scientist Jessica Alba).

- I also like what we see/hear of Erskine. Despite being such a pivotal figure in Steve's backstory, he's a pretty undefined figure in the comics. I assume Howard Stark is there to take over as Steve's Q after Erskine dies.

- The role of army colonel, whatever the era, fits Tommy Lee Jones like a glove.

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	Re: That's an interesting tagline jazzypom 2011-06-26 06:54 am UTC (link)
	It's probably the last good war America fought, I guess (in terms of ideals, and the outcomes of it). There's such a romance around the 'Greatest Nation' and World War II it isn't true. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	Re: That's an interesting tagline proteus_lives 2011-06-26 08:50 am UTC (link)
	It's one of last good wars anyone fought. We fought our meaningless conflicts, Russia only quashed insurrections and Britain fought a few meaningless conflicts to hold on their dead empire. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

Re: That's an interesting tagline

lpetrazickis
2011-06-27 04:07 pm UTC (link)

"Last good war" romanticizing is annoying. US had no more ideals back then than it does today.

US, UK, and Canada did a great job of turning away Jewish refugee ships and forcing them to return to Germany. Locking up innocent Japanese-Canadians and Japanese-Americans and stealing their life's possessions was also a class act. Great demonstration of ideals there.

Also, WW2 ended with USSR occupying half of Europe and imposing single party police states for 40+ years. As outcomes go, that was not a great one. Of course, the Third Reich winning would have been even worse, but for me, the point of comparison would be the world map before the war.

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	Re: That's an interesting tagline colonel_green 2011-06-27 04:13 pm UTC (link)
	Obviously it wasn't perfect (both the refugees and the internment are things generally regretted today), but those things hardly stop it from being a "good" war overall, given the stakes. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	Re: That's an interesting tagline salinea 2011-06-27 04:24 pm UTC (link)
	This, very much. Everyone did some pretty awful in that war. It's just that some people did some things that were so motherfucking evil that everyone else look good by comparison. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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