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From here;

Here are a few samples from a retailer who attended the DC Retail launch on Friday

Why the change?
Dan started out explaining why DC was doing this. DC had taken a look at the comics industry as a whole and felt that the industry needed a shot in the arm. They felt that the stories had gotten stale and too talky. Dan recounted a book he read recently from ‘another publisher’ that had 15 pages of 9 panels of exposition. He felt comics used to be able to do stories that movies couldn’t. Lately, comic book movies have been doing comics better than comics have. Dan felt that DC needed to work harder across the board to improve the product. DC wants to publish books that are fresh and exciting that can compete with the level of action that fans are finding on TV, in movies and video games and elsewhere.

The end of "Writing for Trade"
Another change DC is making is that they won’t be ‘writing for the trade’ anymore. Writers have been told to write the story they want to write and not worry about the trade collecting. If they can tell a well-paced story in 4 issues, they’ve been told not to pad it to make it 6 issues. Editorial can worry about how it’s going to be collected.

If it ain't broke...
DC realized that some things were working fine. Based on sales, critical response and fan comments, they knew that Green Lantern and Batman weren’t ‘broken’. In approaching the re-launch, DC didn’t want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. They knew some things needed to be changed, but they didn’t want to lose the excitement behind what was working. Instead of a re-boot, they opted for a sliding re-launch. Continuity would be preserved and only where things weren’t working would there be changes. As such, there are are little to no changes in the Batman and Green Lantern books.

There are sections for all the various sub-categories on the link- Superman, Dark, Edge etc, here are a couple of the items of interest to us here;

Batman Family
Batgirl- Barbara Gordon is back as Batgirl. The events of Killing Joke and her tenure as Oracle have occurred and this title addresses her return to the role.

Birds of Prey- Barbara Gordon will still be part of the book.

Justice League Family
Justice League- The flagship title of the New 52. Jim Lee joked that if Geoff Johns had been there, Geoff would have said that he had always wanted to work with Jim. The three keywords here are Heart, Humor and Heroics. The first arc of this book takes place 5 years in the past and serves as a Year One story for the Justice League. In story, up until this point, there have been no ‘super-heroes’, just super powered individuals who have sometimes been viewed with suspicion. By banding together, the Justice League wants to show the world that they are deserving the moniker of super-hero.


Young Justice Family
Teen Titans- All four Robins star or co-star in a book. (I know, what about Stephanie Brown? It was hinted that we would see her in Batman Incorporated. Dan Didio said she worked better as Spoiler.) This book is Tim Drake’s showcase. There will be some synergy between this and Superboy.

And for legality, a reason why working for Two-Face might have it's little perks when you've just rendered Gotham's finest unconscious...



To borrow one of my favourite Xander quotes from Buffy "Hands! Hands in NEW PLACES!"
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Date: 2011-06-27 08:35 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
"It was hinted that we would see her in Batman Incorporated. Dan Didio said she worked better as Spoiler."



Date: 2011-06-27 08:37 pm (UTC)
darkblade: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkblade
Dan recounted a book he read recently from ‘another publisher’ that had 15 pages of 9 panels of exposition.

Did they just use Bendis-Speak as part of their justification for the reboot?

Continuity would be preserved and only where things weren’t working would there be changes. As such, there are are little to no changes in the Batman and Green Lantern books.

How little can they show they care about fans of the female bat characters? Outright saying Oracle and Cass were "not working".

Date: 2011-06-27 08:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sigmund_droid
I'll pretty much sum up my thoughts on the reboot.

DC:

We're hip! We're modern! We beileve in equality so we're giving all our women pants!

We're not that modern, Barbara Gordon's back everyone! Look we're traditional DC!

Date: 2011-06-27 08:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] xammax
I think they mean sales wise and DC has had sales issues for awhile now.

Date: 2011-06-27 08:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stillanerd
The first arc of [Justice League] takes place 5 years in the past and serves as a Year One story for the Justice League. In story, up until this point, there have been no 'super-heroes', just super powered individuals who have sometimes been viewed with suspicion. By banding together, the Justice League wants to show the world that they are deserving the moniker of super-hero.


This sounds an awful lot like DC took it's cues from the X-Men with this approach.

The first arc will detail Superman's public debut. At this point, Dan Didio went on a tangent to explain that DC wanted to let go of the past and move forward. Any changes in continuity would be addressed in-story as needed, but that they really didn't want to get bogged down so these reveals would be gradual and as they make sense in the story. There is a document in the DC offices that fleshes out exactly what has and hasn't happened in the New 52 Universe. As an example, the Death of Superman storyline has occurred.


And this sounds an awful lot like how Marvel was defending Spider-Man: One More Day.

Date: 2011-06-27 09:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rordulum
If Batman wasn't 'broken', then why have DC decided to take Dick Grayson out of the cowl, and dump him from every book he was appearing in?

I also don't count reducing Dick's appearances from what, 5 a month, to 1 as "little to no changes".

And how does Stephanie work better as Spoiler, exactly? I can't think of a single way that's true. Still, I can't wait for DC to get slated by people for giving Oracle her legs back, so she can be a 'proper hero' again.

JLA takes place in the past, and won't sync up with any other titles? Oh yeah, that's a great way of getting new readers up to speed with continuity, isn't it?

Date: 2011-06-27 09:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rordulum
Well, Dan Didio isn't a fan of either Cass or Steph, so therefore DC fans as a whole aren't fans either. That's how this shit works.

But given that Didio is the only editor I've heard of where writers and artists simply rebelled and refused to implement an idea he wanted (killing Dick Grayson in Infinite Crisis), I don't think any of his ideas should be taken seriously at all.

Date: 2011-06-27 09:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zechs80
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Date: 2011-06-27 09:20 pm (UTC)
terabient: 'where's my motivation' (PFSC: Motivation)
From: [personal profile] terabient
I am so confused :(

Date: 2011-06-27 09:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
They're trying to have their cake and eat it, ending up with a comicbook universe held together with spit and bits of string.

Date: 2011-06-27 09:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thokstar
Given the context of the quote, it seems to me that Didio is claiming that Stephanie worked better as Spoiler than as Robin. Which is mostly true, even if only because of writer incompetence.

Date: 2011-06-27 09:55 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Rarrgh, change bad!

Date: 2011-06-27 09:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] perletwo
...yeah, having had a look or three at recent arcs on BatO, I can sure get behind Didio's opinions on "what works better." GAH.
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From: [personal profile] thehefner
Where's the Two-Face panel from? Is that the one with the renegade general, or a different one?

Date: 2011-06-27 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
If Jason can be Red Hood and Tim can be Red Robin and Cass can be Black Bat I am perfectly cool with Steph choosing to use the identity she created for herself to let someone else step into the Batgirl role.

Date: 2011-06-27 10:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] turtlefu
"Dan Didio said she worked better as Spoiler"

Dan Didio is an idiot and wrong, but then again he has always been.

I LOVE how they say they are moving forward, while doing INCREDIBLY regressive things, like putting Babs back in the suit.

Another issue I want address:

While Gail may be the ONLY female creator in the new reboot, DC is actually screwing her over. They took her off Birds of Prey and told her NOTHING about the book she has worked so hard on for so long, and THEN they cancelled Secret Six, to be replaced by Suicide Squad, featuring King Shark and Deadshot and AGAIN didn't even bother telling her those characters were being used!
They are not treating her fairly.

Date: 2011-06-27 10:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
Teen Titans- All four Robins star or co-star in a book.

For a moment there I thought that meant that all the boy Robins would be having semi-regular adventures together in the same book. I was all XDDDDD

But then I realised what you actually meant.

Date: 2011-06-27 10:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
Yes, a better policy might have been to continue on with the comics remaining basically as they were, only taking more care to make sure they were *actually good.*

They've also treated Brian Q Miller terribly unfairly, considering how well received his run on Batgirl was - he's not been approached to write any new projects for DC. At all.

I'm pretty bitter, since Secret Six and Batgirl were the only two titles I could really rely on to not suck.

Date: 2011-06-27 10:50 pm (UTC)
turtlefu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] turtlefu
Also, they CLEARLY want all the books to be just like their TV/film adaptations, but that is the exact OPPOSITE of how it should be!

Why do the stupid mainstream, the people who LIKE Smallville etc., get to decide how MY comics are! I understand that they want to draw in new readers, but how about making the TV shows based on the comics, thereby actually drawing in viewers to the comics.

Date: 2011-06-27 10:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadwing
Yeah they kept badgering her to take Firestorm until she finally said "Okay I'll do it" its like they gave her 'Batgirl' as a sop...

"Oh you have been such a good little minion here have a treat now behave or we'll take it away!"

Date: 2011-06-27 10:56 pm (UTC)
whitesycamore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
Why do the stupid mainstream, the people who LIKE Smallville etc., get to decide how MY comics are!

I understand the sentiment... I guess... but if you're going to heap scorn on people for liking stupid things, you ought to appreciate that superhero comic readers live in one extremely brittle glass house. :/
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