Why they should let Wolverine kill the Scarlet Witch.

[proteus_lives]

Greetings True Believers!

I have a response to Avengers: Children's Crusade #6 which came out today.

You'll want to check out Colonel Green's post if you haven't been following the series.

Enjoy!



CG's post.
http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3091755.html?#cutid1

Well, Wanda. What about these folks?

Scans are from New X-Men and Decimation: Generation M.













Is Wanda going to wiggle her nose and bring them back? Is Iron Lad going to pop into the time-stream and bring them back?

Somehow I doubt it.

Let Logan gut her or put her in a little power-controlling box where she can re-power mutants one by one. Other then that, she never gets to use her powers again.

But that's not going to happen. I know and understand why but I wanted to voice a feeling that came up after reading CC #6 today.

Comments

[icon_uk]

IIRC didn't Tony also arrange for the murder of Atlantean ambassadors to suit his political agenda?

Tony's taking over SHIELD, and making himself the only person with ALL the information was such an inept move it was almost breathtaking in it's stupidity. Everything depended on him being the only person EVER being in that role, when anyone with even a naive grasp of politics should have seen how weak a position that was, the ULTIMATE single point failure than any good organisation tries to avoid.

And as noted in the past, I'd have respect for Tony if after having his revelation about the inevtitibilty of superhuman-war several years previously (Retconned into some point during Iron Man #150 I think, when Doom and Stark visit Camelot in the past) had done ANYTHING to mitigate the event occurring. Setting up training academies for young superhumans (Cap would have been RIGHT behind that as a concept), a la Xavier, or moving for voluntary registration as a concept, to test the waters. Instead he does sweet FA for years, and then uses a national tragedy to advance his plan in an atmosphere of paranoid hysteria.

[paultmd]

Yeah, I don't think anybody really liked that story. Hasn't Marvel poked fun at Sally's talking down to Captain America since then and refused to acknowledge that Tony ran Norman like an RC Green Goblin to kill an Atlantean? That was awful. That was a Max Lord becomes a robot moment. That said, even Sally Floyd recognized the noble intent in trying to use it to unite the superhumans.

And honestly, after Fury ran SHIELD for what was basically a lifetime post until he waged his own secret war and had to retire, something Tony never imagined himself doing, he really had no reason to expect he'd ever be removed from the position.

Again, Stark didn't use Stamford to further his own agenda. He was anti-SRA until it was actually put into law. He fought it until it was too late to do anything about it. At that point he realized the futility of fighting it and knew the alternative was to be feared by the people he tried to protect and hunted by the people he claimed to stand for, which was exactly what happened to Captain America's team.

[arilou_skiff]

My image of Tony has always been that he's... Modernity, in a nutshell. In all it's pro's and cons. That means he's got a bit of an utopian streak, as well as a sense of social engineering. It's not enough for Tony to patch up the world, he wants to fix it. If needs be design a new and tear the old one down.

And that's arrogance of course, he keeps underestimating the human factor, and he keeps overestimating his own capabilities. (and I think he realizes these are his flaws) yet he can't stop trying: Because the world is broken, and he can't just patch it up and leave it to some vague hope that people will realize this.

I think in some sense there's a fundamental difference with Cap here: Cap was given his powers. Tony built his own. There is a certain kind of arrogance in this, that's so emblematic of the modern world.

I fully expect Tony that when this crashed down he'll just go "Oh well, that didn't work. Let's take a look at this, see what went wrong and try again." The notion of *not* trying to fix whatever he feels is wrong with the world would just never crop into his head. Not since he built that suit IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS:

[icon_uk]

Now, until CW, I'd never have thought of Tony as remotely a social engineer, he was an engineer all right, but he built the machines and that was really it. He then sold them on to others.

He'd use HIS personal tech as HE saw fit (I must post that issue from the first Armour Wars when Tony goes after the wrong person because he thinks they're using his tech, his arrogance is appalling)

Of course, as you say, when he became a social engineer he was completely crap at it.