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Greetings True Believers!

I have a response to Avengers: Children's Crusade #6 which came out today.

You'll want to check out Colonel Green's post if you haven't been following the series.


CG's post.

Well, Wanda. What about these folks?

Scans are from New X-Men and Decimation: Generation M.

Is Wanda going to wiggle her nose and bring them back? Is Iron Lad going to pop into the time-stream and bring them back?

Somehow I doubt it.

Let Logan gut her or put her in a little power-controlling box where she can re-power mutants one by one. Other then that, she never gets to use her powers again.

But that's not going to happen. I know and understand why but I wanted to voice a feeling that came up after reading CC #6 today.

Date: 2011-06-30 04:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Agreed, villains finding redemption makes for a powerful story when done well.

Heroes descending into villainy should be just as powerful but are very rare and even more rarely handled well; Triumph in the JLA? Colossus rejecting the X-Men and joining the Acolytes because Xaviers dream just wasn't working (possibly the last time his character was remotely interesting)? Roy Harper?

Date: 2011-06-30 05:24 pm (UTC)
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Part of the problem is that when authors decide to turn a hero evil, they try to do it in a way that still preserves some sympathy for the character, which is why we see this plot over and over again: loved one or ones of hero are killed, driving hero into madness and despair that turns him evil.

Realistically, people usually turn evil by making a series of compromises with themselves and giving into temptation, a little at a time. Of all the times in comics when a hero has turned evil, how often has it been because a criminal offered that hero a bribe to look the other way?

Yet which would be more likely to happen in real life?

Date: 2011-06-30 05:34 pm (UTC)
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Colossus rejecting the X-Men and joining the Acolytes because Xaviers dream just wasn't working (possibly the last time his character was remotely interesting)?

While I liked FATAL ATTRACTIONS, it was a bit hard to understand why Colossus joined the Acolytes. Yes, he was sad and angry his sister was dead from the Legacy Virus, but that didn't make Magneto "more right" than Xavier.

Date: 2011-06-30 07:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
IIRC As well as Illyana, he had also just watched his parents be murdered by someone or other for being related to him. Human/mutant co-operation had cost him his family. I can see him wanting to try something different, and Magneto's more isolationist stance might be easier for him to process.

Date: 2011-07-01 12:32 am (UTC)
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Roy Harper?

Look here:


Sorry, I just always wanted an excuse to do that. :D

Roy's "villain" turn is not a good nor well handled one. What happened to Roy is an example of a character being taken to the butcher shop that is bad decision making.

Ableit I would like to learn about this Triumph character and do you know where I can find the story where Colossus had his heel turn?

Date: 2011-07-01 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] paultmd
Triumph was basically DC's Sentry, before Marvel ever thought up Sentry.

He was a Zero Hour retcon, having been a founding member(which was probably reaching a little far with the character since the original lineup is so iconic) that was shunted off into limbo during a mission with all memory of him being erased. During Zero Hour he returned and joined the Justice League Task Force shortly after, before being kicked out for being a dick.

Grant Morrison brought him back in JLA during the soft pilot for JSA, Crisis Times Five, where he became possessed by a 5th dimensional imp and tried to use the power to become leader of the new JLA. He was eventually turned into ice by The Spectre(after he lost Jim Corrigan but before he had gotten Hal Jordan as his new human host) who was about to smash him with a sledgehammer until Zauriel stepped in to stop him.

Then Morrison forgot about the Zauriel popsicle on display when he had the Watchtower destroyed and accidentally killed Triumph in the process.

He's a case of life imitating art, being forgotten about and lost to time.


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