aeka: (Catwoman [happy kitty]:)Diane Darcy ([personal profile] aeka) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily,
@ 2011-07-10 01:36 am UTC
Entry tags:char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: batwoman/kathy kane, char: catwoman/selina kyle, char: huntress/robin/helena wayne, char: poison ivy/pamela isley, char: robin/nightwing/dick grayson
One of my favourite heroine team-ups from the Silver-age/Bronze-age comics.

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From Batman Family #17: 15 out of 62 pages.

Both Poison Ivy and Catwoman are planning individual heists and turn to then newcomer Madame Zodiac for "future broadcasts" of their success.

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Of course, it's only to be expected they'd both call rubbish on their foretold encounters, but Madame Zodiac maintains she is 110% accurate. Either way, Both Cat and Ivy go their separate ways to carry on with their agendas. Ivy is of course taken out by Babs, but Babs is effectively also taken out by none other than Madame Zodiac, but only for the sake of teaching Ivy a lesson about doubting her.

Then, Enter Catwoman and Huntress, who--unbeknownst to Cat--is her own daughter from a parallel universe.

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And of course, Huntress is also shortly knocked out by Madame Zodiac as another lesson to Catwoman about having her doubts. (Oh Huntress...I love you and all...but you need better lines my dear...)

Now that all lessons have been learned, Madame Zodiac proposes a heist of her own, but needs the cooperation of both Cat and Ivy. (The only time in history that a team-up between Catwoman and Poison Ivy actually ever made sense...)

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Unbeknownst to Pammy and Selina though, Babs, Helena, and Kathy Kane have also planned a trip to the museum for no other reason than to stop a heist. Go figure!

Exit Babs, Helena, and Kathy; Enter Bagirl, Huntress, and Batwoman respectively!

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(Huntress wouldn't let the Cat have her yarn for one minute, so of course she's going to take it out on that crossbow!)

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Poor Ivy and Cat. They both got ditched by Madame Zodiac who made off with the merchandise. Bastard!



And because we've only seen what Helena Wayne has learned from her daddy, time to see what skills she did learn from her mommy!

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Bypassing maximum security, lock-picking, and kicking around males who get in the way? Definitely Catwoman traits! She did in fact acquire the best skills from both her parents. (Still need better dialogue here Huntress...)



Nevertheless, despite writers not being able to break any cliches with Helena Wayne, something good still came out of Helena beating the Earth-1 version of her mother after all. Years later, Selina actually decides to go straight for Batman.

Batman is so impressed with her new attitude, he actually allows her to take him out on a date. Dawwwwww!

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A bloody shame the world(s) ended before we had a chance to see where this would have gone. I guess we'll never know of Helena Wayne would have been born on Earth-1 too. :/


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aaron_bourque: default (This is my face on blogs.)


[personal profile] aaron_bourque
2011-07-10 07:19 am UTC (link)
Seeing all three Bat-ladies in one comic makes me sad we so rarely get the modern Bat-ladies all together . . .

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biod: Cute Galactus (Cute Galactus)


[personal profile] biod
2011-07-10 08:14 am UTC (link)
It would have a terribly cliche title, like "Girls Night Out". The Babs and the BoP would take Steph out for equipment/clothes shopping. Steph would of course call her best bud, Cass, who would come grudgingly. The day-off gets interrupted when Batwoman and some goons crash into the scene and the girls all beat the crap out of them while remarking on eachothers skill.

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aaron_bourque: default (This is my face on blogs.)


[personal profile] aaron_bourque
2011-07-10 08:38 am UTC (link)
I'd be completely fine with all of that.

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[personal profile] thebigapricot
2011-07-10 12:31 pm UTC (link)
And you probably never will given the direction of the DCnU.

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[personal profile] maxisanacorn
2011-07-10 09:38 am UTC (link)
Actually if they revived Batman Family to do sort of shorter "general heroing" stories for all members of the Bat fam (like in canon but not completely related to the plot's of other books per se) and show members of the Bat fam interacting/teaming up in stories that are more self contained, short, snappy, and enjoyable would be great! You'd think with their Silver Age kick they would have with the reboot.

Substitute Kathy and Helena at least at the museum caper with Cass and Steph with Babs. It's these kind of appearances that show "Hey these character's matter! Here's a story with them. Sorry they're not in the main arc in X title, but check it out, they're going to be in next months issue of Batman family fighting Angle Man with Wonder Girl and Nightwing!

I love continuity, but then I also hate continuity as it creates problems of "well who can I use" and "No you can't use that character, they're in New Zealand over in this book,"

This post being Batgirl related it just sends me to my thoughts on Babs becoming Batgirl again, and quite frankly, she just doesn't look very useful here. Nothing even Misfit could do. I would like to see Steph, Cass and Babs team-ups though if all three are Bat-somethings or at least still a valued member of the Batman family.

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aaron_bourque: default (This is my face on blogs.)


[personal profile] aaron_bourque
2011-07-10 10:50 am UTC (link)
it just sends me to my thoughts on Babs becoming Batgirl again, and quite frankly, she just doesn't look very useful here.

An excellent point. Not only is Barbara going back to Batgirl a regression of character, not only is it another instance of someone in a minority being replaced or changed into someone not in a minority, but Babs as Batgirl doesn't bring anything new to the table.

Cass as Batgirl was an interesting character dynamic, and a rather unique one (especially when she was introduced). Misfit as "a batgirl" is a fun character with a cool power that should make her way more effective than she has been. Stephanie as Batgirl has her trademark perspective and the fun of watching a somewhat rookie hero growing up and gaining experience and getting better. Babs as Batgirl . . . doesn't have any of that. She might be snarky, but so was Steph, so's Misfit. She might have a photographic memory, but that's not as useful in a fight as being able to read your opponent like an open book, or teleport around and drive an enemy nuts. Her photographic memory only ever gave her the potential to be a better Detective than Batman, it doesn't automatically make her better at noticing clues and drawing conclusions from them. It served her better as Oracle.

If she really is just able to walk around again, even under the pen of Gail Simone, what does she offer?

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[personal profile] kenn_el
2011-07-10 08:06 pm UTC (link)
This was a lousy story and a lousy use of Barbara. What Barbara 'brings to the table', aside from quick wit, a photographic memory, and a brilliant, inventive mind, is a determination to overcome any obstacle. If what TPTB are saying is tree, and that KJ happened, then everything Babs did in order to become Oracle, and much of what she accomplished after, still exists, and is still her. Heck, Bruce didn't accomplish as much when he was in a wheelchair, though he did a fair amount when he was dead.

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aaron_bourque: default (This is my face on blogs.)


[personal profile] aaron_bourque
2011-07-10 08:26 pm UTC (link)
a determination to overcome any obstacle.

Which the other Batgirls have, too. They may not have been tested in quite the same way, or to the extent Babs has.

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[personal profile] kenn_el
2011-07-10 08:33 pm UTC (link)
Which makes Babs more interesting, if done well. One could make a similar argument as to why Bruce should be Batman, rather than Dick or Tim.

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aaron_bourque: default (This is my face on blogs.)


[personal profile] aaron_bourque
2011-07-10 09:35 pm UTC (link)
Well, Bruce should be Batman because he's more generalized than any of his family. He may not be the best at everything (other than detective, world's greatest detective!!!), but he's the best at being really good at a variety of things.

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[personal profile] perletwo
2011-07-10 10:40 am UTC (link)
Man, the Wiacek inks make Heck's pencils almost tolerable.

And then, Coletta takes over. Two artists I don't like, in one convenient package!

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[personal profile] kenn_el
2011-07-10 08:08 pm UTC (link)
Heck,IIRC, gave Babs the horrific collar, though! And Kathy's wearing Janet Van Dyne's Christmas gloves!

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[personal profile] salinea
2011-07-10 01:16 pm UTC (link)
it's so nice to see so many female characters in one story :D

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thehefner: (Me w/ white background)


[personal profile] thehefner
2011-07-10 03:17 pm UTC (link)
Bronze Age Bat-ness is one of those things I'm discovering that I love more and more with each passing story, and this one's no exception.

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[personal profile] btravage
2011-07-10 03:18 pm UTC (link)
Wait, is this THAT Madame Zodiac?

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[personal profile] pyrotwilight
2011-07-10 03:27 pm UTC (link)
Y'know being raised by Bruce and Selina in her world...I'd really have loved to have her predict her "mom's" cat lines, lord knows how often she heard them while growing up.

Helena: No. More. Puns.
Bruce: What puns, are you going bats?
Selina: She's complained about it since she was a mewling toddler.
Helena: GAH. They're not even GOOD puns.

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[personal profile] jkcarrier
2011-07-10 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Love those old Batman Family comics SO MUCH. Thanks for posting this!

Has Madame Zodiac shown up at all post-Crisis? It would be funny to see her take on Madame Xanadu...

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kenn_el: Northstar_Hmm (pic#369332)


[personal profile] kenn_el
2011-07-10 08:10 pm UTC (link)
Too predictable.

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[personal profile] aaron_bourque
2011-07-10 09:37 pm UTC (link)
Enh, but just because it seems predictable doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; otherwise Plastic Man and Elongated Man would never have met, nor Superman or Captain Marvel.

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[personal profile] zenbro
2011-07-10 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Chuckling at making Catfish Hunter into "Catfish Turner." Were they afraid he'd sue?

That, and Bruce's devious eyebrow when he asks Dick about "feeling up for some action."

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2011-07-11 11:37 am UTC (link)
Awww...sucks! I'm only getting "Upgrade to Pro today!"-photobucket empty pictures.
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[personal profile] pyrotwilight
2011-07-11 05:36 pm UTC (link)
Aww. That's why photobucket sucks as an image server for the purposes of SD. We destroy bandwidth like THAT.

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aeka: (Catwoman [happy kitty]:)


[personal profile] aeka
2011-07-12 01:01 pm UTC (link)
Yeah I noticed it last night when I got back home, but it's fixed now. Sorry about that. :P

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[personal profile] eyz
2011-07-26 09:01 am UTC (link)
Alright!
Thanks!

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[personal profile] stubbleupdate
2011-07-11 05:42 pm UTC (link)
www.abload.de

It's top for picture hosting

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[personal profile] eyz
2011-07-26 09:01 am UTC (link)
Whotta crossover! :)
*imagines the same nowadays, with Steph, Cass and Babs*

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