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scans_dailyI know a lot of this has already been posted, but I figured putting it in a concise post is best. My commentary is in "Quotes" while DC's statements are in bold.
From Comic Alliance, I'm getting info about what their saying and it's pretty nasty. Oh, and believe me, it just gets worse from here!
But first: legality!
Cargo Pants!
DC’s Flashpoint Panel (Thur Morning)
A fan asks if DC is going to create more “mainstream” minority characters. They point out that Blue Beetle was on Smallville.
“Yes, a guest spot, paired with a white guy, on a single episode of a now-ended TV show! That is so mainstream!
DC’s ‘The New 52’ Panel (Thur Afternoon)
Cliff Chiang says Wonde Woman now has “retractable pants”.
“Yeeeeeeeeeah. I’m not touching this with a ten-foot pole”
DiDio says “Yes” to Stephanie Brown.
“YAAAAAAY!”
DiDio says that returning Babs to Batgirl (EVEN THOUGH SHE’S BEEN ORACLE LONGER) was because DC wants to return all their characters to their most “accessible” versions.
“WHAT!? No, really, WHAT THE FUCK!? APPARENTLY DC thinks that differently abled characters are not accessible!? Why, because all your abled-bodied readers are too privileged to understand a differently abled character!? Because Barbara development as Oracle is too complicated compared to, say NIGHTWING!? FUCK YOU DC”
Wonder Woman will continue to be compassionate, not a warrior. BUT they are presenting her as a warrior in marketing.
“Presumably, then, to appeal to all the MACHO ASPECTS of the male comic fandom. Yeah, and presenting her as one thing in marketing and showing her as something else in the actual comic is going to work SO WELL, DC.”
When asked why DC’s female creators drastically decreased, DiDio avoided the question and asked the audience who they wanted that they currently work with. He implied that Nicola Scott got hired on something in the future.
“Yay Nicola Scott! Maybe one day she won’t be “THE CHICK” artist and will be appreciated just for her talent! Also, REALLY GOOD JOB with the derailment and avoiding the question, DiDio.”
Cornell says Demon Knights will include a character named Horsewoman who will use a (medieval??) wheelchair. He says she can’t replace Oracle, but he’s excited.
“See, this is DC’s thinking. They view diverse characters as quotas, and when they get rid of one, they just need another to maintain their DIVERSITY! Yes, I know Cornell said Horsewoman CAN’T replace Oracle, but by implying one wheelchair-using characters COULD replace another, DC/Cornell shows their attitudes towards minorities is just about quota. They don’t care about characters and development, they care about tokenism!”
Apollo and Midnighter are still gay. Cornell says he wanted to get a “They’re Still Gay” T-Shirt.
“Of course DC wants to keep their ONLY gay heroes! They already filled their lesbian quota with Kate!
<>DC’s Batman Panel (Thur Late Afternoon)
Mike Marts (Batman group Editor) says they have 4 issues from Williams and 1 and half from Amy Reeder for Batwoman.
“This is good news for me, but given the amount of time they’ve had to work on this, I expected more to be done. So, I’m still worried about delays. Also, YAY, Amy Reeder, THE ONLY OTHER FEMALE CREATOR, is still on Batwoman”
Gail Simone says that 1) Stephanie Brown will return and 2) Babs as Batgirl is just out of college.
“1) Yay Stephanie Brown, 2) You lied to us Gail. In your interview you said Oracle’s history would not be changed. Well, this is a HUGE change, and one that effectively erases all of the character development Oracle had.”
Winick continues to be unable to use any adjectives to describe Catwoman other than “sexy” and “dirty”. Also, Helena Kyle doesn’t exist.
“Do I even need to comment on this? This is just disgusting how we are in 2011 and a female character can be presented this obviously as fap material. Yes, Catwoman is sexy, but if that is the ONLY way you can describe her, then you have a SERIOUS problem. And, of course, having a baby seriously gets in the way of someone being “SEXY” right, Winick?”
Winick says Batwing’s arch nemesis is called Massacre, who is shown stabbing a man through the back.
“I don’t really have a problem with this alone, but wait until Winick elaborates on a later panel!”
Lobdell says Starfire is going to be more alien, and that she will Roy and Jason as her teachers on humanity.
“Oh, bullshit. Starfire never needed anybody to “teach her” about humanity. Also, icky subtext with two "bad boys" teaching a naive, sexy alien women about humanity. Starfire is strong, and compassionate, and emphatic. She’s human enough. What is WITH DC and making their extra-terrestrial characters more ALIEN!? I thought they wanted their characters to be more “accessible”!?”
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Date: 2011-07-26 02:29 am (UTC)She still lied, because it contradicts some if the stuff she's said before.
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Date: 2011-07-26 02:30 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-26 02:31 am (UTC)But, there were some good things too, like positive news on Mr. Terrific, Supergirl, and Powergirl.
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Date: 2011-07-26 02:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-26 02:36 am (UTC)Re: Have you tried not being disabled?
Date: 2011-07-26 02:43 am (UTC)I don't like to use that one because it sounds like food.
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Date: 2011-07-26 02:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-26 02:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-26 02:49 am (UTC)She has a journal about it right here on dreamwidth!
http://kyrax2.dreamwidth.org/
Here's a quote that stood out for me.
"They almost cut the line off *right* before me, but at the last minute, they said that they could have another ten minutes. I think one of the convention staff members was instrumental in this - she seemed sympathetic to me at earlier panels as well. Everyone cheered that we would get more time, and Didio said that we could start...with the next person in line after me. I stepped up to the mic and said, 'I see you remember me.' Then I mentioned that I'd encountered hostility from the audience at the earlier panels, and asked if anyone in the audience DIDN'T want to read a well-written series starring an intelligent, powerful female that kicked ass, would they please stand up. Someone on the panel said, "Who would say 'no' to that question?' And I replied, 'Well, I've gotten boo'd at earlier panels, so I was wondering that, too.' Didio said brusquely, 'Do you have an actual question?' I said to the audience, 'If you DO want to read a book starring a female character, would you please stand up now?'
The entire room stood up.
I said, 'This is your market, DC,' and sat down."
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Date: 2011-07-26 02:50 am (UTC)It's not the fans' job to find or suggest female creators, guy. If people express an interest in female creators, it's on the editors to seek out and hire them - that's an editor's JOB. Editors have resources for finding talent that readers can't possibly match.
Trying to dodge the question by asking readers to suggest creators just highlights how poorly you're doing your job.
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Date: 2011-07-26 03:05 am (UTC)http://www.notracistbut.com/
Warning: link contains massive stupidity.
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Date: 2011-07-26 03:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-26 03:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-26 03:14 am (UTC)Well, that is nice... I hate how we have to have so much crap from them and only these nice gems in-between these mountains of bull.
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Date: 2011-07-26 03:16 am (UTC)(Totally forgot to mention that earlier.)
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Date: 2011-07-26 03:22 am (UTC)The different lays in the implications and context. 'Woman Talking" (or whatever the term is) is a pejorative to describe (and this is just for the sake of definition) overly emotional or illogical communication, the insinuation that what the woman thinks or feels is unimportant or less-than-logical due to some sort of impairment based on a supposed feminine tendency to be overly analytical or emotional. This plays on several sexist stereotypes and is outright dismissive of the womans opinion.
"Mansplaining" is a pejorative to describe when a man is accusing a woman of 'Woman talking'. It is the implication that the male is speaking from an imagined posistion of superiority due to the female being somehow less cognisant of information or logical than the male. Mansplaining isn't inherently sexist in the manner that woman talking is, it implies chauvnism and ignorance on the part of the male but doesn't necessarily reinforce stereotypes about the male gender or how males think (though your cultural mileage may vary). It is not outright dismissive of the mans opinion, but an observation that it is being presented in an offensive straw-man manner.
I guess? I don't know maybe i'm talking out of my ass it's late. Thats how I see it though. Mansplaining can be used wrongly and in an insulting manner but like you pointed out, it was on full display at SSDC.
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Date: 2011-07-26 03:24 am (UTC)I think Friday's Superman panel was also where someone asked how long DC had been planning the reboot and there was an uncomfortable silence afterward. (I tried to find the article that mentioned this, but I seem to have lost it. ;_; )
Not necessarily rude, but...telling about the way the reboot is being handled.
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Date: 2011-07-26 03:30 am (UTC)“See, this is DC’s thinking. They view diverse characters as quotas, and when they get rid of one, they just need another to maintain their DIVERSITY! Yes, I know Cornell said Horsewoman CAN’T replace Oracle, but by implying one wheelchair-using characters COULD replace another, DC/Cornell shows their attitudes towards minorities is just about quota. They don’t care about characters and development, they care about tokenism!”
I'm not sure I fully follow you here, but I have to say, I think you're being pretty unfair, to Cornell at least (I'm happy to acknowledge that DC in general has a tendency to subscribe to tokenism); I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that because he was actively saying that Horsewoman can't replace Oracle, he was somehow saying that she could replace Oracle, and then getting angry at that. What else is he supposed to say? He's clearly aware of, acknowledging and trying to actively address both Oracle's popularity and concerns of tokenism here, yet you seem to be twisting his words just a little bit to try and make him a perfect example of tokenism, and then getting angry at this interpretation rather than what he's actually saying. Whatever interpretation we can place on the word 'can't', he's clearly acknowledging that one character in a wheelchair can't replace another hugely popular and well-loved character in a wheelchair in the eyes and affections of her fans simply by virtue of the fact that she's also in a wheelchair (which would be an example of an attitude of tokenism); if he hadn't said any of this, I can't help but feel that you'd still be on here getting angry at him for clearly thinking of his character as a replacement for Oracle and how much an example of tokenism that was (which would at least be a bit more justifiable than what you're doing here); damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
In any case, I hate to be That Guy, but... well, we haven't seen anything at all of Horsewoman yet. It's way too soon to say that Cornell is just using her to fill up a quota and has no interest in her as a character or the way she develops and getting angry at that. He may well be; I can't say for certain. But neither can you.
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Date: 2011-07-26 03:41 am (UTC)I mean, for as long as I can remember reading comics Barbara has been an experienced, mature crime fighter working the Oracle role. Having her go back to being so young, back to being "Batgirl" seems to really infantalize a character, especially when there's a Batwoman running around who just a few months ago was the same age as Babs or younger.
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Date: 2011-07-26 03:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-26 03:50 am (UTC)I don't know who else was on that panel, but the fact that no one said anything about Lois being described as a "trophy wife" must mean that they were all comfortable hearing her described that way.
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Date: 2011-07-26 03:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-26 04:05 am (UTC)No word about Superboy?
Date: 2011-07-26 04:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-26 04:14 am (UTC)