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@ 2011-07-27 04:11 pm UTC
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Entry tags:creator: dan didio, creator: david "walky" willis, creator: grant morrison, creator: jeff lemire, creator: judd winick, creator: paul cornell

This is it! The final part of this massive clusterfuck! But first, legality!
 

Maybe they'll get around to the black guy... eventually

 

DC’s New 52 Panel (Saturday Morning)

Winick says that with Batwing, he’s trying to mix superheroes with real-world issues in the Democratic Republic of Congo. He called Africa “a very politicized and ravaged country”.

“Now THERE’s that white privilege I was talking about! Good job we have mighty whitey to tell us how horrible of a “COUNTRY” Africa is! I get a huge feeling Winick is going to use this book as his mouthpiece for his opinions on the politics and culture of Africa, which he will grossly misunderstand and possibly turn into a "look at those SAVAGES" situation.”

DiDio made a list of heroines in starring roles. He says DC has the best percentage of females in starring roles.

“DC, DIVERSITY IS NOT ABOUT NUMBERS. Why don’t you guys GET THAT!? Also, I call bullshit on that anyway. Besides, Marvel is employing far more female creators (Deconnick, Immomen, Rios, Liu, etc.)”

Morrison says that Cass still exists in the DCU.

“Yay Cass!”          

The same Batgirl fan from the panel who asked about heroines on covers asked this panel why there weren’t more female creators in DC. DiDio says, GET THIS, they hire the best writers and artists they can! And the audience applauds! Morrison mocks her by saying he looks great in a dress, then turns around and encourages the female fans to submit work to DC.

“So, DiDio implies that the female talent out they isn’t good enough for DC, and then Morrison mocks a justifiably upset fan. Then he turns around and saves face by encouraging the female fans to submit their work. Presumably to be told that they aren’t good enough for the wealth of talent that DC only employs, like the kind that puts out Cry for Justice or the Rise of Arsenal.”

DC’s The Dark and The Edge Panel (Saturday Afternoon)

Lemire says Animal Man’s main character is actually Maxine, Buddy’s daughter. She gets her own powers.

“Which is interesting, but I can’t help but feel it takes away from the “everyman” qualities Buddy was supposed to have”

Cornell SPECIFICALLY calls Horsewoman a “diversity character, to state it crudely”, and compares her to the Man with No Name [Clint Eastwood’s Western Character]

“Good Job Cornell, you just took away the good feelings I had for you. Turns out his wheelchair user was just there for diversity cred!”

Cornell says Apollo and Midnighter are still gay, but they meet for the first time in the first issue, and their romance is slow. He also says that if he changes anything he won’t expect to come out of the “Gays in Comics” Panel alive.

“Okay, I do like the idea that they don’t immediately jump down each other’s pants, like they did originally. But apparently Cornell feels like the only thing wrong with changing their sexualities would be the negative fan reaction? Uh, you shouldn’t change their sexualities because that would homophobic, not because you fear how the fans would react.”

This one is the worst. DC replies to the negative fan reaction towards Harley’s new costume by saying “Provocative is good”, but says that Harley still has the same personality.

“REALLY DC, why is PROVOCATIVE only good for your FEMALE heroes, so you can dress them is as objectifying clothes as possible, but your male heroes wearing briefs on the outside is SO BAD it needed to be changed IMMEDIATELY.”

“Oh and just to add, included were some pages from an unknown book showing a gratuitous scene with strippers. I think it was either from Blackhawks, Suicide Squad, or Sgt. Rock.”



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icon_uk: (Sonny Strait Nightwing)


[personal profile] icon_uk
2011-07-27 11:25 pm UTC (link)
It's as plausible as everything else about the character.

Which is the more likely explanation, that a character when through a major change off-screen that is not the least bit alluded to, even through a throwaway line, or a writer who hasn't written a character in more than 10 years forgot how to write said character?

The former, by a significant margin. I don't even consider it as "major change", just a matter of semantic convenience and brevity for him.

He's either A) decided that in human terms he IS gay and consciously chooses to identify as such or B) has taken the perfectly human reaction to being asked for the umpteenth time if he's gay and decided to cut out the accurate but somewhat highfalutin' "Your Earthling terms of sexuality do not accurately describe me, I am not "gay"" and decided; You know, I'm TIRED of explaining things at length to people whose opinion has little interest to me. "Yes, I'm gay, now go away, I'm with my boyfriend".

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turtlefu: (not having this, psylocke, sneer, wtf)


[personal profile] turtlefu
2011-07-28 12:00 am UTC (link)
And, like I said, that would be good, if he actually showed that happening. But we have zero evidence to support your theory, because we literally HAVEN'T shown Mikaal make that connection, or any line about how he has changed his identification.

Robinson made a pretty big point of NOT having Mikaal identify as gay, and it's something I always liked because it didn't play into the "sexuality is binary" bullshit. And then, all of sudden, without any IN STORY explanation, he DOES identify as gay. Because, yes, having him decide "For convenience, I'll identify as gay" certainly WOULD make sense, but we HAVEN'T been given that reasoning. For all intents and purposes, that's something you just made up.

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turtlefu: (not having this, psylocke, sneer, wtf)


[personal profile] turtlefu
2011-07-28 12:05 am UTC (link)
I guess all of this is very YMMV, because a comparable situation, to me, is how Andrekyo handled Obsidian in Manhunter. Before Manhunter, Todd was coming to terms with his sexuality, and didn't really identify as anything (but did make a point that he was still attracted to women), and was pretty seriously depressed, but then he shows up in Manhunter as a happy, well-adjusted gay man. And then there are some serious moments of OOC (like when he talked about musicals, because all gay men like musicals amirite?).
Without any sort of bridge, it's hard to reconcile the two characters, because they are just very different.

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[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2011-07-28 12:38 am UTC (link)
i didn't get that at all from Todd. He showed SOME interest in women, but he also showed interest in Al... and honestly, the most character development he has ever had WAS in Manhunter... every where else he is either background or EVILLLL.....

and the musical thing... umm thats really an issue to you? how much of his likes and dislikes did we know about before?

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