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Four pages (or thereabouts) from FLASHPOINT: BATMAN, KNIGHT OF VENGEANCE 3...

Years ago, Thomas Wayne went after Joe Chill, the man who killed his son. He planned to inject him with a syringe of something or other, but at the last moment he changed his mind.












Date: 2011-08-04 03:50 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i have to say... THIS has been the BEST series to come out of Flashpoint... as a review stated.. this was TRUELY a poetic story... seriously... i would PAY for a monthly... but i think it would loose its impact if it was a monthly... i don't know... i just loved it.

Date: 2011-08-04 03:59 am (UTC)
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Why am I laughing? That's not funny! But I'm still laughing anyway!

Date: 2011-08-04 04:16 am (UTC)
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You... get the Joke.

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Date: 2011-08-04 02:45 pm (UTC)
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I dunno, I'm laughing because they basically made the characters of 'The Batman' and 'The Joker' husband and wife.
But that's just me.

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Date: 2011-08-04 04:01 am (UTC)
ext_807024: (death of spiderman)
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This...is just so beautiful in a sad (kind of funny) way.

Date: 2011-08-04 04:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] xammax
Bruce can never learn of this reality... ever.

Date: 2011-08-04 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
On one hand, I kinda agree.

On the other hand...Bruce meeting Flashpoint Batman would make for a HELL of a story.

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Date: 2011-08-04 04:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sherkahn
The utter heartbreak that Thomas bears as his shoulders slump and the weight of truth in that second to last panel on the fate of their son, and Martha's realization and horror.

I'd never thought I would feel any genuine emotion from anything in Flashpoint, where the medium transcends and affects like true art should, but I am glad I was proven wrong.

Date: 2011-08-04 02:32 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
this is on par with snyder's Detective

Date: 2011-08-04 04:29 am (UTC)
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Oh wow I will be buying this series! This could have gone either way.

Date: 2011-08-04 04:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] amalthia
This is confusing! Um but I guess that happens when you only read four pages of a comic.

Date: 2011-08-04 04:44 am (UTC)
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Alternate universe/timeline: Bruce is murdered in the alley, and Thomas and Martha survive. Martha goes insane with grief, Thomas tries to be a vigilante named Batman (based on a costume he wore once to a . . . "memorable" masquerade, I can only assume), and they fight and they love and they hate each other. The above is pretty much the culmination of their story.

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Date: 2011-08-04 04:45 am (UTC)
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See, this is such a crazy-brilliant sort of Elseworlds story that it could have been done just as that, without the rest of the mess that is Flashpoint.

Date: 2011-08-04 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Well...yes and no. I think the fact that we're seeing Thomas actually trying to fix the world so that Bruce can live but also become this driven vigilante is what really helps sell the whole tragedy of the thing. If he just said he was trying to change things, it would have been confusing.

Date: 2011-08-04 04:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] funbox
Am I the only one peeved that either he didn't tell Martha that their son would live to be greater person then either of them or that the flash didn't tell Thomas that Bruce would create a family of batman (a family's a family to me at atleast)?!

Date: 2011-08-04 05:16 am (UTC)
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(a family's a family to me at atleast)?!

Not just you.

Never just you.

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Date: 2011-08-04 05:33 am (UTC)
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This. Is. Awesome.

Date: 2011-08-04 07:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] biod
Well the son exists to improve the father's work, even if it is your AlternateReality!Father's work. He's still following in his father's footsteps, he just does a better job of it.
Is that what's said in the next page? Because as beautiful as this tragedy is, it feels wrong depriving Martha of the knowledge that Bruce has finally made somewhat of a happy life for himself and his family. It just involves fighting crime the world over and giving the internet memes.

Date: 2011-08-04 02:34 pm (UTC)
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i don't think Thomas knows that... I think Barry only told him that his son becomes batman after he dies, Thomas might equate that with becoming like his batman (un aware that he actually has friends and family)

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Date: 2011-08-04 07:34 am (UTC)
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This is why I always love imagining Bruce becoming an actual MD in his denouement (rather than him dying violently like in so many "Final Batman Story" entries), maybe even taking over Arkham.

Date: 2011-08-04 09:46 am (UTC)
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The Joker would just looove that.

Date: 2011-08-04 07:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eyz
Kinda twisted....
I liiiiiiiiike it :D

Date: 2011-08-04 10:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Since the Batman here IS Thomas, the references to him as Bruce in the OP make this a rather confusing read.

For example, I'm going to guess that Bruce Wayne did NOT go after Joe Chill, Thomas Wayne did.

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Date: 2011-08-04 11:21 am (UTC)
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The last page reminded me a little bit of DEATH AND THE MAIDENS, the miniseries where Batman is able to talk to the ghosts of Thomas and Martha Wayne. They know Bruce works to make Gotham City and the world a better place, but don't understand why he has to live in perpetual misery to do it. That miniseries was during the DARK KNIGHT RETURNS to INFINITE CRISIS era were Batman was constantly unhappy.

Date: 2011-08-04 01:15 pm (UTC)
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To be fair, in the early 00's, Brubaker and Rucka did try to end their run on Batman with a positive note and him embracing both Bruce Wayne and Batman. The only trouble was that Loeb and Lee followed quickly afterwards, as did War Games, because how dare Bruce Wayne not be miserable and cold to the point it takes Dick nearly dying to make him change.

Even if Johns helped rectify the Batdick problem, the idea of Bruce pointing a gun at Alex Luthor after years of restraint in the face of the Joker trying to drag him down was just farcical.

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Date: 2011-08-04 11:27 am (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
Oh, does the first page and a half remind anyone of Batman's Black Mercy dream from JLU's For the Man that Has Everything?

Date: 2011-08-04 02:38 pm (UTC)
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and the animated version too :D

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Date: 2011-08-04 01:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] filthysize
Damn, this went better than expected. I wish this was an OGN or something and not a Flashpoint tie-in, because I would've bought it.

Let's hope it's collected separately.

Date: 2011-08-04 02:39 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
yoiu know... a graphic novel would be cool... it would work better than a series (a series would not be as tragic) an issue two or more would have been great

Date: 2011-08-04 03:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sherkahn
Ok, am I the only one who would pay good money to see some of the other artistic talent draw the love/hate affair between this version of Thomas and Martha?

Date: 2011-08-04 05:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I don't know. I think Risso is perfect as a collaborator with Azz, and he has a knack for being able to bring out a variety of things in his characters. His Martha-Joker, for me, has alternated between scary, sad, and in some panels, oddly tender and attractive. To be able to bring out that in a character is something not many artists in the industry can do, and even fewer do well.

If anything, as was the case with 100 Bullets, I'd like to see Risso get more time with these characters, so he can develop them further. Otherwise, it depends on the artist. None of the Flashpoint set would work, I think.

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Date: 2011-08-04 04:38 pm (UTC)
rainspirit: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rainspirit
Man, everything about this scene and the cover is absolutely chilling.

Date: 2011-08-04 04:41 pm (UTC)
an_idol_mind: (Default)
From: [personal profile] an_idol_mind
I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out that there is now a canonical example of Batman and the Joker making out. Alternate universe, sure...but it's there.

Date: 2011-08-04 07:53 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (dead waynes shock)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
*mind explodes!*

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