Generation Hope 10

[shadowpsykie]

I posted these Images because a couple of people have been wondering "what Idie was thinking" when she went in to fight the Hellfire Club. What her motivations were. Also someone only saw the one panel that showed Idie saying "Is there anyone else i need to kill" and thought she was now a sociopath. admittedly without context that is what that panel makes her look like. so because of that I posted some context and the rest of that page the panel is from.

It miiight be pushing the page limit... so please let me know and i will adjust accordingly... its about two pages and a couple of panels...

Comments

[proteus_lives]

Seems almost like some serious PTSD.

[amancalledblaze]

Wow

and I'm curious, who's the girl in the pink with the Apocolyspe looking facial markings?

[darkknightjrk]

With a serious helping of self-loathing at that.

[aaron_bourque]

. . .

So this whole Schism conflict could be averted if Wolverine were actually in multiple places at one time?

. . . hmm . . .

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; also someone needs to seriously sit that girl down and explain to her that she is not a murderer.

[shadowpsykie]

after what she just went through... yeah... and by looks of the end of Schism three... its not over... She was terrified, her friends were down, she JUST SAW one of the possible futures for mutants (A recording of Ex-Hound Rachel) and she knows these guys want them dead. "She did what she felt she had to." and now she is living with this.

Idie is actually one of the most interesting characters IN generation hope... because of her upbringing, she has been told her entire life that she is Sinful that her very nature, being a mutant, is sinful. She see's a picture of the original x-men, and says "I don't understand, why are they smiling" the very idea of "Out Mutants" being happy as mutants amazes her because "How can anyone be happy as a sinner?" This girl even believes, "Why shouldn't governments have genocidal robots to protect them, that is what a government is supposed to do. protect its people."

maybe because as a gay catholic i kinda... understand Idie's pov a bit... ther have been times i have felt like she has.... she is confused... throw all this into it...?

[aaron_bourque]

Laurie Trommette, aka Transonic. Superspeed flight and related shapeshifting.

[shadowpsykie]

yes, see below.

[shadowpsykie]

ironic no?:D

[long_silence]

I doubt Wolverine being at the museum would have made a difference. The Hellfire Club had weapons to take down Emma, Magneto, Namor, Colossus and Iceman. I have no doubt they would have had something to take down Wolverine as well. The only reason they didn't get Idie was because she ran and hid until the leaders left.

[shadowpsykie]

perhaps, but he is wolverine... sooo...? eh... its moot anyway

[proteus_lives]

That's a dangerous combo.

[proteus_lives]

I get that. I've got a bud who is a gay catholic, he's expressed similar feelings.

[darkblade]

I haven't read the book in question but almost any weapon that would be effective against Magneto would work on Wolverine more so.

[long_silence]

The Hellfire kids had guns that shot tiny little neutron stars that acted like super magnets which messed up Magneto's own magnetic field.

So yeah those would have worked on Wolverine.

[starwolf_oakley]

Also someone only saw the one panel that showed Idie saying "Is there anyone else i need to kill" and thought she was now a sociopath.

That was me. I said it seemed Idie had gone "from zero to sociopath" after quoting "Broken Arrow." It does not seem like she's deciding "Maybe murder isn't that big a deal after all."

[shadowpsykie]

Oh hey oakley! Yeah it wasn't just you. A couple of others expressed similar thoughts, didn't mean to single anyone out

[ian_karkull]

Schism has been really surprisingly and consitently good so far. I wonder what other miracles Jason Aaron and his amazing magical beard can perform, getting me to care about X-Men is quite the feat.

[shadowpsykie]

Yeah... Its an interesting relationship

[rallamajoop]

I do like how they handled this sequence - it's very effective and believable. But what bugs me is that while all this is going on, we've still got Hope, who grew up on the run in the wastelands leftover after virtually the entire population of a possible future Earth were murdered by someone trying to get to her. Who was raised by Cable - who, granted, does seem to have made a concentrated effort not to raise her to be a killer, but who still practically embodies the 'end justifies the means' mentality. By all logic, Hope should have ended up paranoid as hell and still be suffering massive culture shock now she's finally made it back to somewhere 'peaceful'. And through all this they're still teasing us with the apparently real possibility she's going to go axe crazy and justify everything Bishop was trying to do.

And it's a member of her supporting cast who gets this scene. It just seems like such a waste.

[shadowpsykie]

Actually I think they have been playing down "Hope might go crazy" cuz it seems too obvious. Hope I think is pretty well adjusted all things considered, I think hope would have been equipped to take then out without killing, or been able to kill them if she had to. Idie on the other hand is hope's polar opposite in a way. She was not ready fir this, she was not ready to t take a life let alone a dozen. It e would not have the same tragic impact if Hope did it

Meh.

[pervymax]

I big as magnet or a telekinetic who can levitate him an inch of the ground would do it.

Have I mentioned how I *hate* superwolverine, and wist for the days of miller's?

[hawkmoondirge]

if this launches schism, I have to say...well at first i found it extremely weaksauce but then in review its actually great. Its not a matter of person taste of hate that divides the X-men, its their role that does. Cyclops wants to restore the species and keep them safe. At any cost, Wolverine, while the same, wants to spare the children, and that, among other things, divides them. i doubt the hate will last, and they'll reunite but its interesting to see how the ideological differences will play out

As for this scene, i still see this as the wrong character to use, she was already self loathing, no need to spike that up a few notches. Still, the emotion, and semi acceptance make the scene. AShe, in her mind, believes she's a monster and she then believes that is her role, to fight those worse than her.

[rallamajoop]

Hope I think is pretty well adjusted all things considered

She definitely is, but a lot of what's putting me off her as a character is that I can't buy that she could be that well adjusted, given her background. YMMV on that, of course, but to me it emphasises her role as a plot device who will do and act whatever the writers have decided is convenient, rather than a character who's grown organically out of her own experiences.

It e would not have the same tragic impact if Hope did it

Going to have to disagree with that. The X-Men's shiny new mutant messiah kills a bunch of people? That's got to have tragic impact.

[shadowpsykie]

I think because she had a mother for a while, and cable, and even friends. Her main problem though is she comes off very cold. Well not cold, but she see's the lights as soldiers, but they are not.

Hope killing them would have been kinda shocking, but to me it had more impact coming from Idie because with her it came from someone not " trained"and not prepared for this. From as place of fear and desperation. This is her first blood. Hope would have been cold and calculated

[selke]

I'm digging the art and kind of giggling at the head crab looking things. The only thing I don't like is the blue girl on the last scan. Too much of an obvious ass shot.