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@ 2011-08-27 02:35 pm UTC

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char: green arrow/connor hawke, char: guardian/jim harper, char: lian harper, char: speedy/arsenal/roy harper, char: speedy/mia dearden, creator: chuck dixon, creator: jay faerber, creator: judd winick, creator: kevin smith, creator: rodolfo damaggio, title: superboy

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So, the reboot is looking pretty bad for the Arrow kids. There's no indication we'll have Mia anytime soon, Connor apparently "ages Ollie up" too much- nevermind that Bruce totally had time for four Robins and a ten-year-old kid and that Connor was born well before Ollie became Green Arrow- and, of course, Lian, who should also have been born before her father's current identity change, also apparently ages Roy up too much. Suffice to say, current plans don't hold much hope for these three.

Of course, plans can be changed.

This may just be a pipe dream, but I’ve been considering trying to get some good fan action going to demand their return- tweeting Krul and co., writing letters to DC, starting a petition, etc.- but it’ll take a fair number of people and some level of coordination to really make ourselves heard.

Turns out, Scans_Daily has a fair number of people and a good platform for coordination.

So, what do you all say to some type of mass effort? If nothing else, just a designated day to spam DC's, Krul’s, and other relevant creator's twitters with #bringbackconnorhawke, #bringbackmiadearden, #bringbacklianharper, #bringbackthearrowkids or some similar message would catch a few eyes, but even that requires getting people together and semi-organized.

Any ideas? Anyone with petition experience would be especially great.

For legality, a few scans.

From GA V2 #106, Connor being adorable:

And three pages from GA V3 # 32:

On a night out with Roy, Connor and his brother are in a convenience store when a group of men try to rob it. After taking a few down, one of them gets behind Connor.

Some Mia from GA V3 # 3, saying what we've all been thinking:

And finally, some Lian from Superboy v3 #82 just being generally <3:

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	no subject pyrotwilight 2011-08-28 04:13 am UTC (link)
	Dat cut. Needs to be fixed. Oh and Connor being adorable. XD (Reply to this)

	no subject star_of_airdrie 2011-08-28 04:59 am UTC (link)
	We can't just limit it to the Arrow family, but then again, too many causes all at once will saturate the contacts and decrease the effect. We need a careful and clever strategist. (Reply to this)

	no subject daggerpen 2011-08-28 05:04 am UTC (link)
	I was thinking of that when I made this post, but as you said, the more chars you throw in, the more diluted the message gets. Even combining the three Arrow kids is pushing it. That we do. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject biznizzonpeyote 2011-08-28 05:13 am UTC (link)
	That is the stupidest thing I've heard. Glad that the reboot is happening, no more annoying Lian, useless Conner. Mia was alright though. Dead serious. (Reply to this)

	no subject daggerpen 2011-08-28 05:15 am UTC (link)
	Well, you're entitled to your own opinions. That having been said, *Connor. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject silverzeo 2011-08-28 05:57 am UTC (link)
	Oh man Guardian and Red Arrow where distant relatives... too bad that never happen is that was the clone of the clone. Because when a clone is created, it has the conflict of identity and humanity, but a clone of a clone are just stains that must be wiped away and forgotten... (Reply to this)

	no subject daggerpen 2011-08-28 06:00 am UTC (link)
	Teen Titans 100 reference, I presume? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject big_daddy_d 2011-08-28 06:00 am UTC (link)
	Eh, the only thing I can think to do is writing a sincere letter as to why certain characters should remain. Otherwise, what else is there? A petition? Twitter spamming? If anything can be done it has to be attention grabbing and not just a mere form of nerd rage as that is never taken seriously to be quite honest. (Reply to this)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-08-28 07:23 am UTC (link)
	Love the Connor and Roy scene (Reply to this)

	no subject daggerpen 2011-08-28 07:24 am UTC (link)
	It's one of my favorites. Winick's usually spotty on Connor's characterization, but this time, he really did it right. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject mommy 2011-08-28 07:43 am UTC (link)
	Connor was the first DC hero I ever got attached to. I'll be deeply disappointed if the Arrow kids are permanently out of continuity. Surely it's not that hard to deage them a few years? (Reply to this)

	no subject kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com 2011-08-28 10:23 am UTC (link)
	...why is it that sometimes Connor is drawn white as the driven snow? They look like totally different people between the first and second scans. =/ And yes, retconning them all sucks, a lot. Bit late to change it now, but still no reason not to complain about i! (Reply to this)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-08-28 11:02 am UTC (link)
	My only problem is Roy not trusting Connor enough to know what he's doing. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject silverzeo 2011-08-28 12:31 pm UTC (link)
	Yep, to both those trio clones and the Indigo robot. The only exception I can think of to this new rule is that Dubbilex that tried to kill Supergirl... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject jlbarnett 2011-08-28 01:15 pm UTC (link)
	you know my biggest problem with the arrow relaunch? He's now apparently a techie hero, but his primary weapon is an archaic killing tool. Seems kind of contrdictory to me. (Reply to this)

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icon_uk
2011-08-28 02:52 pm UTC (link)

That might well be the hook, when tech breaks down, a bow and arrow will continue to work, plus it's silent, has a decent range, and is still hard enough to use that it maintains non-powered bad guys as a credible threat. (And isn't Batman in the same boat, and his principle weapon is the far less versatile boomerang)

Of course, if they go back to "GA firing five arrows to block five handguns' firing pins before you can type a full stop", then I lose interest.

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	no subject jlbarnett 2011-08-28 03:40 pm UTC (link)
	not really for me. You make someone a tech hero then to me they need that technology to be an effective hero. Sort of like Iron Man, even if it's tool rather than armor. Batman's main weapon is his body, including his brain. Everything else is just used to increase efficiency (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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kenn_el
2011-08-28 04:26 pm UTC (link)

Look at athletes that use technology to increase their potential, though. When actually involved in an event they're not carrying or wearing any type of device, but they're all there during training. Besides I got the impression that making Queen DCNuU's Bill Gates was to differentiate him a bit from Bruce Wayne, while still going back to his roots as a Batclone. (I hope Babs manages to modify Queen stuff for her own use if they're going to try to interconnect the new U)

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	no subject kenn_el 2011-08-28 04:31 pm UTC (link)
	It falls under the category of 'be careful what you wish for' though. Even if all the Arrow kids were incorporated into the NuU, would they still be recognizably those characters? IMO, all characters dumped for the reboot will probably resurface in some fashion just as most of Marvel's Ultimateverse became populated with versions of the 616verse. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject whitesycamore 2011-08-28 04:35 pm UTC (link)
	That is the stupidest thing I've heard. Steady on. Think what you like about the characters, but don't go insulting other people's posts. Failing to agree with you doesn't make daggerpen's opinion stupid. Just correct. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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benicio127
2011-08-28 05:53 pm UTC (link)

I'd asked

mad and

schmevil if they could ask about Mia at one of the FanExpo panels. DC's response to whether she'd be in the new DCU was "maybe." (They then said Steph is now Spoiler, Cass exists and Booster Gold is Canadian).

I'm hopeful about Mia. She's appeared in Smallville (...although as a brunette...); when Winick revealed her HIV positive status, it made mainstream media news, as well as she represents people who get very little representation; and with Artemis being in Young Justice, people who want to read about (another) blonde lady archer in DC can read about Mia. She's also pretty popular.

Lian, on the other hand, suddenly doesn't exist (WTF) and Connor, I don't know? I haven't heard anything official. I really hope they don't get rid of Connor, too, but I'm less hopeful about him than I am about Mia. :(

But I will tweet to DC_Nation and J.T. Krul about the Arrowfam :)

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	no subject benicio127 2011-08-28 05:55 pm UTC (link)
	Oh and there was also another scene from when Connor and Roy are hanging out. I remember Connor not refuting ideas that he's gay. Does anyone recall that page? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject catyuy 2011-08-28 06:44 pm UTC (link)
	Booster Gold is Canadian What? Does that mean he's no longer going to be future boy or that he wasn't a Gothamite? Because if they remove the future from his history then I'll be pissed off (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject whitesycamore 2011-08-28 06:51 pm UTC (link)
	Booster Gold is now Canadian! This changes everything. XD (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject whitesycamore 2011-08-28 08:25 pm UTC (link)
	I completely support any campaign to bring back the arrow kids. Particularly Mia - she was so underused even before the reboot. :( Also, icon love. (What was Connor's head trauma though? I'm not all that familiar with him, although I like what I've seen). (Reply to this)

	no subject benicio127 2011-08-28 10:30 pm UTC (link)
	Hahah I know! It makes him more awesome, obvs ;) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject benicio127 2011-08-28 10:31 pm UTC (link)
	I think it just means that he's Canadian.... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject zenbro 2011-08-28 10:53 pm UTC (link)
	why is it that sometimes Connor is drawn white as the driven snow Because at DC, mixed-race people are like unicorns - rumored to exist, but since they apparently haven't seen any, they just use their imagination. :/ (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject lieut_kettch 2011-08-29 03:03 pm UTC (link)
	Umm... so now Booster doesn't litter and has access to free health care? Eats at Tim Horton's? Is bilingual? Says "about" funny? Doesn't know about subspace highways in your head? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject pepperspray101 2011-08-30 02:39 am UTC (link)
	lol, Connor, love that guy. WHY DC!! WHY!?! (Reply to this)

	no subject daggerpen 2011-08-30 02:40 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, that issue was... I didn't read it, but I have not heard good things. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject daggerpen 2011-08-30 02:42 am UTC (link)
	She and Connor both. Thank you! I <3 it muchly. Well, he was first shot in the head by Onomotopoiea. Then there was the coma thing, which, he was actually shot in the back, but the bullet was coated with neurotoxin, because that's totally plausible, and it pretty much turned him into a vegetable until Sivana kidnapped him to experiment on. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject eyz 2011-08-30 08:01 am UTC (link)
	I loved Connor's run as GA! Heck, I've been re-reading his team up issues with Kyle Rayner not long ago! (but for GA's side of the events I have to add) (Reply to this)

	no subject eyz 2011-08-30 08:03 am UTC (link)
	What...for real?! Why the change? Is there any real reason behind such move or is it just part of Didio&Lee's masterplan to fully feature a more varied cast of characters (in such silly ways) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject daggerpen 2011-08-30 02:19 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I've been rereading them, myself. Considering a series of scans to commemorate him, really... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject daggerpen 2011-08-30 02:19 pm UTC (link)
	Because DiDio hates you, obviously. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject daggerpen 2011-08-30 02:23 pm UTC (link)
	Same issue, page nine. Exact quote is: "Why does everyone think I'm gay? I don't care, really, but what is it-- just because I don't chase women like Ollie?" He also seemed totally indifferent to the strippers in the place Roy brought him to. Fun fact? He was originally intended to be gay, though, until DC chickened out. Still is in my head canon. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject benicio127 2011-08-30 03:47 pm UTC (link)
	Fun fact? He was originally intended to be gay, though, until DC chickened out. Was he? I didn't know that! I thought he was a Chuck Dixon creation -- which kind of tells me that's why he wasn't revealed to be gay. :( (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject daggerpen 2011-08-30 04:12 pm UTC (link)
	Nope. Puckett and Aparo. Dixon wrote a lot of his later V2 stuff, though, which is probably a large part of it. sigh (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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