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Allegedly someone asked Dan Didio as to whether Renee is in the new DCU, and apparently she's in the GCPD, but no word as to whether she's the Question or not.
http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/9874498742/renee

Hm, seeing the "logic" behind some of the changes, I guess that they're going to say that Renee being a lesbian recovering alcholic makes her seem too old or something'. I'd be nice to see her around though, whatever form it may be in.

For legality, a funny/sad moment from Gotham Central.

A teenage boy dressed as Robin has been found dead in an alley, and the GCPD have to check in case it's the real one. Maggie Sawyer manages to pull some strings, ie she rings Lois Lane and asks her to ask Superman, and manages to get the Teen Titans in to confirm whether the dead Robin was their friend or not.

This leads to two pages that are both bizarre (the Titans costumes don't exactly merge well with the Gotham Central setting), sad (they make a reference to how Tim had been having a horrible time at the time of the comic, ie the deaths of his father and Steph) and a funny moment, which is at the end.


Date: 2011-09-07 02:32 pm (UTC)
darkblade: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkblade
I'm okay with her not being The Question I wasn't too happy with her being forced into a legacy character roll when I thought she had more potential as a cop used to dealing with the weirdness of Gotham.

If they retcon her into being straight though I will Rage hard.

Date: 2011-09-07 02:34 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Oh no way, not with Batwoman being around and likely one of the most untouched characters due to having such a new origin.

Date: 2011-09-07 02:34 pm (UTC)
kirke_novak: (Marvel: YA Wicked)
From: [personal profile] kirke_novak
I don't think they'll do that, they would not ~~~~~~dare.

Date: 2011-09-07 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Renee as a PI would definitely be cool! :D

Date: 2011-09-07 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
"If they retcon her into being straight though I will Rage hard."

I'm sure I'm probably one of the few that believes this, but...they're not that stupid to do that.

Date: 2011-09-07 04:05 pm (UTC)
anothermoviegeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anothermoviegeek
Well, she was retconned into being a lesbian in the first place.

Date: 2011-09-07 04:36 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
Was she confirmed straight before she was ever confirmed as a lesbian?

Cos if not, that ain't no retcon.
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Date: 2011-09-07 04:48 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
That's still not THIS IS NOT A LESBIAN, though. Plenty of ladies who dig ladies date men before/during/after coming out, you know?

Less a retcon, more a reveal.

Date: 2011-09-07 04:50 pm (UTC)
anothermoviegeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anothermoviegeek
Except that later works showed her always being a lesbian and seemed to just ignore this happening. Thus, full retcon for me.

(I deleted the previous comment because I mis-named the story in question)

Date: 2011-09-07 05:19 pm (UTC)
kirke_novak: (Marvel: YA Wicked)
From: [personal profile] kirke_novak
It's a Suddenly Sexuality trope I really dislike and it often ignores bisexuality.

Date: 2011-09-07 05:38 pm (UTC)
anothermoviegeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anothermoviegeek
Agreed. If she is however retconned into being straight again it won't be without merit.

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Date: 2011-09-07 04:48 pm (UTC)
anothermoviegeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anothermoviegeek
She dated a guy from the Coast Guard during the 'Contagion' cross bat-series in 96. As far as I know (icon_uk please correct me on this) this was the first time Renee ever was shown having a personal/love life.

Date: 2011-09-07 06:19 pm (UTC)
turtlefu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] turtlefu
I don't remember it ever saying Renee ALWAYS knew she was a lesbian, she could have come-out after dating the guy, for one.

Rucka says he placed the seeds for Renee's coming out since No Man's Land, which takes place a little after Contagion.

Date: 2011-09-07 06:26 pm (UTC)
anothermoviegeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anothermoviegeek
It's been a while since I read it, but the whole No Man's Land setup followed by Two Face outing her in Gotham Central lead me to believe that they retconned her into always being a lesbian albeit in her own closet. I seem to recall that her brother knew and it was said that he knew for a very long time. Now granted, that doesn't rule out her dating the Coast Guard guy and potential bi-sexuality but to me its clear.

Date: 2011-09-07 09:54 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
I've had friends who slept with a lot of dudes before coming out of the closet. Apparently it was a compensation thing.


*shrug*

Date: 2011-09-10 02:54 am (UTC)
cuntfucius: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cuntfucius
... Do you even know any non-hetero people and their dating history?

Because that's... sort of normal. She could have always been a lesbian, but not always had a same-sex execution in her dating practice for various reasons (denial, fear, homophobia, wanting to try out/convince herself/make sure about her preferences).

There's nothing that says retcon because it was never stated before that she was hetero. In fact, she even was looking for a way out of a date with a guy and had Harvey (her partner, not Dent) get her out of it before.

Sure, bi erasure is annoying and exists but this is about identity and if Renee IDs as a lesbian and has been canonly established, by the guy that's given her the most development and exposure outside of the DCAU, to be a lesbian, then I fail to see anything that supports this false equivalency.

Date: 2011-09-07 06:13 pm (UTC)
aaron_bourque: default (Default)
From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
If they retcon her into being straight though I will Rage hard.

You mean stetcon. She was originally straight, in fact, the B:TAS series bible, her motivation for becoming a cop was due to her husband being killed.

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; all in all, as coming out stories go, Half A Life had its failings and could have been much better handled.

Date: 2011-09-07 06:29 pm (UTC)
anothermoviegeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anothermoviegeek
I had forgotten about the Husband thing from TAS. However, I would like to think her character history could be a little more flexible when she made the jump from TAS to the comics (see Harley)

Date: 2011-09-07 10:10 pm (UTC)
aaron_bourque: default (Default)
From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
Yeah, but reading along at the time, it was kind of abrupt. Like following a trail in a forest and realizing the trail sort of leads into a thin branch you didn't notice. Leaves in your mouth, that woody, earthy taste.

. . . I think I lost track of my thought somewhere.

Date: 2011-09-07 07:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
I agree. I think she worked as The Question but then I never saw the need to turn her into a costumed super-hero - or to kill off Vic Sage to begin with - anyway. And then makes her ex-partner Crispus Allen the Spectre as well seemed a bit over the top. I liked them both better as just cops.

Date: 2011-09-09 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
well, the Spectre is originally a JSA character so he may be shuffled off to Earth-2 removing the reason for Crispus to be killed

But overall the reason is DC books are about superheroes. By making them heroes they get to tell more stories about them.

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