scans_daily: Batgirl #1

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@ 2011-09-07 04:48 pm UTC

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char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, creator: ardian syaf, creator: gail simone, creator: vicente cifuentes, title: batgirl

Batgirl #1

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	no subject q99 2011-09-07 09:58 pm UTC (link)
	What? How is she a murderer for not stopping him? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 12 comments) (Show 12 comments)

	no subject thatnickguy 2011-09-07 10:02 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, the woman was RIGHT THERE when that nutjob pushed him out the window. Unless it's a Fight Club situation. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject kd_the_movie 2011-09-07 10:03 pm UTC (link)
	So retcon the severity of the injury it is. Fine I guess. 3 years as Oracle I guess. Still hate it crosses arms. (Reply to this)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2011-09-07 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	The "stretch my legs" bit was a little much, but I like it--I think Babs is probably more compelling where she is now than where she was in the past few years as Oracle, and I'm curious to see what this Mirror dude's angle is, as well as, you know, how she can walk now. (Reply to this)

	no subject ravenous_raven 2011-09-07 10:05 pm UTC (link)
	I don't know if its because we have only 4 pages here or if it's because we have had years to see Babs as Oracle, but this still seems so rushed. If I was a new reader, I would be thinking, "What? She was paralyzed? When was this? Did I miss something?" (Reply to this)

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whitesycamore
2011-09-07 10:05 pm UTC (link)

I really liked this, right up to the end which was.... stupid.

And no, cop lady, a vigilante failing to take down an armed madman after he just pointed a gun at her is not "murder." I have an idea; how about you, the trained police officer, take him down with yourgun? Why didn't you like, shoot him in the leg or something? Oh, you were busy bleeding, were you? Well, Babs was busy being traumatised. So STFU.

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	no subject aaron_bourque 2011-09-07 10:07 pm UTC (link)
	I was gonna make the same point, but then I decided bad jokes are more fun. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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	no subject aaron_bourque 2011-09-07 10:06 pm UTC (link)
	You let him kill that man. You just watched him die. Well what do you want her to do? Walk over and stop him? Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; this should be fun. (Reply to this)

	no subject anothermoviegeek 2011-09-07 10:10 pm UTC (link)
	It's only issue 1 so I am withholding judgement but I am still not down with this whole "and then a miracle happened" (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2011-09-07 10:14 pm UTC (link)
	I think she's withholding info with that just to make sure that there's at least some continued interest on the how. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject darkblade 2011-09-07 10:13 pm UTC (link)
	I was unhappy about her being Batgirl again but I could live with it if only we weren't still reminded every damn page about her terrible nigh-fridging. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject mad 2011-09-08 12:08 am UTC (link)
	Seriously, I am so sick of TKJ references. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject anothermoviegeek 2011-09-07 10:16 pm UTC (link)
	Was it just me, or did Babs new room mate look like Clancy (Dick's old Bludhaven building super)? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject junipepper 2011-09-08 02:10 am UTC (link)
	It's never just you. That was my first thought too. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject nightauditguy 2011-09-07 10:35 pm UTC (link)
	Hopefully she'll be able to get over her fear of having a gun pointed at where she was shot (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject bariman 2011-09-08 07:03 am UTC (link)
	Especially given that she's in a profession where she'll have a gun pointed at her a lot, and the torso is the biggest target on a person, so... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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fifthie
2011-09-07 10:40 pm UTC (link)

This seems like it could maybe have been a kind of good comic if, instead of Barbara Gordon being a big failure and then some evil douchebag nobody I don't care about kills someone right in front of her, she just like, y'know, doesn't fail, and instead, succeeds, saves a guy's life, and kicks the shit out of the evil douchebag nobody I don't care about.

It's too bad nobody felt like writing a good, enjoyable comic like that.

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	no subject fifthie 2011-09-07 10:45 pm UTC (link)
	Like, is that so much to ask? That Barbara returns to being Batgirl by way of like, owning some chump-ass villain and saving the day? Yup, I guess it was. Oh Welllllllllllllllllllll (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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book_of_daniel
2011-09-07 10:41 pm UTC (link)

I was planning on waiting until next month to download the book but since it's Gail that plan quickly fell apart and I got it today instead.

I loved it. I knew I'd like it but I was pretty impressed by the whole thing. I thought it was a good mix of respect for what has come before and world building her future. I did get a pang when Babs mentioned how nice it would be to have a friend to drink tea with. (And that pang was named Dinah. *sigh*)

The ending with the crazy detective threw me off a little until I started wondering about the villain. I'm sure his gimmick goes far beyond, "I've got a makeup mirror on my chest." Considering how enthusiastic and over the top the first couple Babs was after their rescue, maybe the detective's response was meant to be the dark reflection of it? Maybe he was influencing her somehow?

...or maybe she's just ungrateful in the grand tradition of Spiderman and his "you didnt bleed nearly enough saving us" New Yorkers.

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	no subject rdfox 2011-09-07 10:56 pm UTC (link)
	Oh dear god... please tell me they gave us a name for the detective. PLEASE. Because if they didn't... the art has me seriously thinking that it's supposed to be Renee Montoya. And if they're sending her down that road... (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2011-09-07 10:58 pm UTC (link)
	I forget the name, but it wasn't Renee. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-09-07 10:59 pm UTC (link)
	sad red x is sad :( (Reply to this)

	no subject big_daddy_d 2011-09-07 11:10 pm UTC (link)
	Surprised to see a younger looking Jim Gordon..with red hair and mustache instead of it being white or grey. Admittedly I do like that Babs is traumatized. Makes for a unique plot, but admittedly a guy doesn't want constant reminders of Oracle at the same time. Some answers would be much appreciated. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	Yeah.. steverodgers5 2011-09-07 11:51 pm UTC (link)
	I was quite taken aback at the young(ish) looking Gordon in the bat titles. Not sure how I feel about that.. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

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turtlefu
2011-09-07 11:42 pm UTC (link)

Yup, just what I feared. All of the amazing, complex, human, realistic, and nuanced character development either a) thrown out or b) compressed into a short 3 years (in which some of it will HAVE to be thrown out)

Also, and how is "...then she got better!" not insulting to differently abled readers, Gail? Too bad THEY can't miraculous "just get better", huh?

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	no subject anothermoviegeek 2011-09-08 12:47 am UTC (link)
	Also, and how is "...then she got better!" not insulting to differently abled readers, Gail? Too bad THEY can't miraculous "just get better", huh?</> This is exactly how I feel about this switch. I am hoping when we get more details in the coming month it is a little more justifiable, but I am not holding my breath. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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swatkat, 2011-09-08 05:45 pm UTC (Expand)

Oh I'm soo torn..

steverodgers5
2011-09-07 11:49 pm UTC (link)

I will always..ALWAYS miss Stephanie in the batsuit. (I much preferred her in that over her spoiler, or god forbid, the horrible look they gave her as Robin..)

But, I can't deny that it was good to see Barbara swinging about, and kicking butt again. As I always loathed DC's use of her in the Killing Joke. (Even though, I like the rest of that story..) I've never understood why they did that. They could have just as easily had it be a wife/girlfriend of Gordons, if they were looking for the cheap tradgedy there. And thus not deprived themselves of one of their premier superheroines. I mean's IIRC it's not as if they even mention in the killing joke that she's batgirl. Thus many of the folk who've read it over the years, probably don't even realise that..

Ah but I digress. This was a nice start. And I'm looking forward to seeing where this series goes. (But damn I will always miss Stephanie as Batgirl. Think I was actually crushing on her a little bit! LOL)

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mrstatham
2011-09-08 06:49 am UTC (link)

The thing is, DC was dumb enough to even adopt TKJ as an in-continuity story. That's massively awkward when reading the book, it comes across as more of a final Batman story, like Moore's own Superman story from the same period.

I mean, the treatment of Babs aside, how does Batman put that ending in any context other than him being treated like a nutjob by everyone when he's found laughing it up with Joker at the end? It just doesn't work. DC chained themselves to the rock that was Oracle, effectively, if they hadn't, we'd probably have had Babs as Batgirl through the 90's.

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	no subject zechs80 2011-09-08 12:06 am UTC (link)
	Um Miss Police Woman.. the murderer is right next to Babs. Please point your gun at the actual murderer. You know the one you just watched just commit the murder and you know has a gun? You know the same guy who killed your partner? (Reply to this)

	no subject mad 2011-09-08 12:09 am UTC (link)
	DO NOT WANT (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject runespoor 2011-09-08 07:23 am UTC (link)
	Several years of mottoing here. Universes-spanning, eons-deep mottoing. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject perletwo 2011-09-08 12:12 am UTC (link)
	sigh Could they have lampshaded her working legs and feet any MORE in this ish's art? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject mrstatham 2011-09-08 06:52 am UTC (link)
	Lampshading, you say? You might be getting the idea that DC are taking that idea and RUNNING with it, but I don't see it. snorts (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject aeka 2011-09-08 12:29 am UTC (link)
	So if Babs was Oracle for only three years, does this still mean she formed the Birds of Prey during that time? Does she still know Dinah? Gah! So many questions going through my head right now. :< On another note, I love that Babs keeps a poster of Batman on her door. :P (Reply to this)

	no subject proteus_lives 2011-09-08 01:14 am UTC (link)
	Wow, pointless. (Reply to this)

	no subject kaete 2011-09-08 01:23 am UTC (link)
	Uuuugh, there is no trope I hate more than "regular folks irrationally hate superheroes." (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject kaete 2011-09-08 01:29 am UTC (link)
	Although since it's Gail I am guessing it is better explained in the full comic. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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	no subject introverted_excavator 2011-09-08 01:27 am UTC (link)
	I'm not really feeling this at all. (Reply to this)

	no subject silverzeo 2011-09-08 01:34 am UTC (link)
	She was Oracle for 3 years... (Reply to this)

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