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A ghostly figure arrived to steal children. Batwoman arrived to stop the creature, but the spectral kidnapper stole away with the little ones, and the heroine promised to get them back. Cut to Gotham P.D., as Detective Maggie Sawyer concludes her interview with the grieving parents







Date: 2011-09-16 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Great bits and lovely art (kinda surprised the scans with Kate and Bette's disappearing/reappearing lingerie wasn't shown). I do wonder what Bruce's proposition is...

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Date: 2011-09-16 06:28 am (UTC)
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You, Me, aaaall the tequila you can drink.

Date: 2011-09-16 06:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
To which Sawyer would scoff, look a little offended, and reply, "I'm sorry, but what kind of woman do you take me for? I don't need to be drunk to want to get in your pants."

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Date: 2011-09-16 06:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] golden_orange
Didn't Maggie Sawyer used to be a Captain?

Is this just a 'reboot' thing or has she been demoted for some reason?

Date: 2011-09-16 07:24 am (UTC)
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Probably a reboot thing, but we don't know enough to be sure.

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Date: 2011-09-16 06:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ardat_lili
That was my response, too. "They busted Maggie fricking Sawyer down to Detective?" I mean, she was running the show in Metropolis, for Pete's sake.

Date: 2011-09-16 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jasiri.livejournal.com
Uhm... so is that wall, like, a roster... or something. A roster of current. living. police-persons? Please?

Date: 2011-09-16 07:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
There's a plaque at the bottom, though it's blank in the comic. Hopefully it's decorated police personnel.

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Date: 2011-09-16 07:29 am (UTC)
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Whilst I'm all for the Batwoman character, she lost points by the repeated dissing of Bette who, if nothing else, is a character with roots and history that go back as far as hers (Yes, I know that Kate is sort of an analogue of Golden Age Kathy Kane, the way Bette is of Golden Age Betty, but the differences are more extreme)

Yes Kathy, we get it, you're the cool one with your own title, and yes Bette is a less intense character, but she HAS been doing it longer in this continuity (I think) and there's no need to be so dismissive.

Date: 2011-09-16 07:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] biod
It would be nice for Kate to recognize that, beneath all the flash and bravado, Bette is a competent crimefighter who could even teach her a thing or two. And if Bette can make her crack a smile while doing it, all the better.

Date: 2011-09-16 08:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aaron_bourque
I figured she's trying to hold on to the last of her family as hard as she can, which will probably end up driving Bette away, or at least alienate her in the short term.

Date: 2011-09-16 12:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rdfox
The way she's treating Bette is *exactly* how I would expect Kate to treat anyone she's taking under her wing to train. The all-grey outfit is similar in concept to the West Point cadet uniform, freshmen at West Point are called "plebes," and the harsh, no-bullshit treatment (similar to enlisted basic training, but much harsher and nastier) is just like "Beast Barracks," the period in the summer before freshman year when cadets go through their own version of basic training to transition to military life. (See this Wiki article for a description of the Naval Academy's equivalent, "Plebe Summer," which is very, very similar to Beast Barracks--note that the torment doesn't actually stop until the end of your freshman year, either, as upperclassmen are expected to keep on you all the way until then.)

Kate, having attended West Point, would have been through Beast Barracks and the similarly rough treatment of her plebe year. Beyond that, she's basically treated Batwoman as being her job since then, while for Bette, Flamebird was basically a lark she went on to try and get into Dick's pants. Kate sees herself as a professional (as evidenced by Batman letting her operate in Gotham and, as seen at the end, presumably inviting her to join Batman Inc.), while in her eyes, Bette is a diletantte (how the hell do you spell that?) and amateur who's just "playing dress-up cops and robbers" and needs to be trained to be a professional, lest she get herself killed. So she's training Bette the same way she was trained--very harsh, almost cruel, but effective.

It may not be very *nice*, but at least to me, it's a mindset that makes perfect sense for the character.

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Date: 2011-09-16 01:04 pm (UTC)
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Kate loses points for dissing Bette? I didn't see no dissing. What I saw was soft core military discipline. Did Bette serve in the military? Was she told she couldn't fight anymore because of her orientation? Was Bette's father from the military? (Well, if any answers to these are yes, this comic missed some good character relation points I guess).

And it's not like she said no to Bette either. She's there right by her side when the action gets hot. Even when Kate's father comes in, Kate decides to fill Bette in on just how screwed up things have been since she's been Batwoman. I give Kate points for at least not holding back on this information until it actually mattered, instead of going the "You will never understand!" or "It's none of your business!" tropes that serve only to pad out relationship conflicts.

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Date: 2011-09-16 08:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
I know that Elegy has been collected, but does anybody know if the story after that is ever going to be collected too?

Date: 2011-09-16 01:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jeyl
Did anyone else notice the little bit of censorship on the two-page split of Batwoman smashing through the window in the opening? I thought my eyes were deceiving me when I looked at the pre-coloring artwork. I can only imagine how embarrassed J.H. Williams felt when someone brought that up in a conversation.

Date: 2011-09-16 03:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rdfox
Heh. Which bit, the relettered poster, or the added shard of glass? (Interestingly, neither one was changed in the *colored* preview art that was shown on the DCU Blog--I just checked. And honestly, I didn't notice it until you mentioned... not to mention that it didn't look like anything but just a seam in the costume to me.)

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Date: 2011-09-17 01:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kamino_neko
Anyone have a link to the B&W/preview version? I'd like to compare the two.

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Date: 2011-09-16 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
I would be very interested to know how the hell Maggie knows Renee and Kate were an item. Unless they get rid of Renée ever having been in the closet.

And by very interested, I mean I'm not convinced by the writing.

Date: 2011-09-16 03:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] salinea
It's not entirely impossible that Renée told it to Maggie post-coming out. I mean, the timeframe is weird (like in all thing reboot) because of how young Maggie is portrayed in this in any case, but it could be made to work somehow.

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Date: 2011-09-16 03:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
someone said that dan didio's coments on renee montoya were kinda confirmed here.... what did he say about renee. i noticed an image of renee on a rememberance wall... is it of fallen officers or former officers?

I WANT MY RENEE!

i'll go now....

Date: 2011-09-16 04:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
Yeah I saw the convo up about the whole Flamebird getting turned into Plebe bit and it bothered me alot as well.

It...doesn't even make sense for Kate to "train" Flamebird who's an experienced crimefighter with more years than her on the job.

I could certainly understand a partnership with the two learning from one another but...it didn't seem like that all. It's like the writer's wanted to emphasize Kate's military background and thought it'd be funny to see her become Bette's Drill Sergeant. It was VERY off putting.

Date: 2011-09-16 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
I think it does. Iirc, Bette has only been active as part of a team, especially team with metas, right? I assume these involve different skills from what Kate's doing.

I have the feeling the writer wanted to distance himself very much from Flamebird's kind of campy, cheerful image. This is Gotham, you know. City of gritty street-level.

Date: 2011-09-16 04:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
I love the art in this book. I've always really been into the concept of Batwoman, but the art really makes her book stand out. The red-white-and-black scheme works perfectly. Mostly you've got the grays and blacks of Gotham and then there's this woman with the splash of red hair and accessories. It all FITS! :)

Date: 2011-09-16 09:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ladyvyola
I'm really liking the Art Nouveau-esque coloring and detailing in the top two pages. Kate's scarf/coat/bobbed hair combo have a hint of Paul Poiret style. IMHO.

Date: 2011-09-16 11:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wonderwomanhero
I want her to grow long hair. :(
Why won't she?

Date: 2011-09-16 11:35 pm (UTC)
salinea: Scarlett Witch hugging Billy and Tommy (*hugs*)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Cuz she prefers it this way.

Date: 2011-09-16 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] wtfomfg2
I might be alone in this, but I kind of wish Kate wasn't quite so pale in her civilian identity. Visually I think the art is stunning, but part of me keeps thinking "How are people not noticing the two snow-white redhead characters are the same?!" Then again, this is the same universe with Clark Kent...

Date: 2011-09-17 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredneil.livejournal.com
part of me keeps thinking "How are people not noticing the two snow-white redhead characters are the same?!" Then again, this is the same universe with Clark Kent...

And where a domino mask is considered an effective disguise, even for Oliver Queen.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Lois, Jimmy, and Perry White (as well as Golden Age Steve Trevor and Etta Candy) figured it out but were too nice to say anything.

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