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I checked the more common http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/tag/char:+catwoman/selina+kyle

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salinea

merging tags time!

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aaron_bourque

Last son of the planet Druidia

Funny. He doesn't look Druish.

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arilou_skiff

.... Beat me to it.

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proteus_lives

And if you can...save the car.

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icon_uk

Shame you mentioned that ends up being a dick, as I rather liked him based on this.

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mrstatham

You won't. Believe me, you won't.

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Same.

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mrstatham

I'd be interested to see what other parts of the book you find problematic, personally, since I think any issues I could have with this scene are completely tarred by my knowledge of what Jason does later.

For me, whilst it's not stated in the slightest in the book, I always thought there was maybe something a little off about his bruises - Like if he was being handled that roughly, he wouldn't complain during the act? Given the crap he comes out with later, I wouldn't put it past him to fake bruises.

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Later on, i'm going to post the fallout on the red carpet from this guy's next move.

The scene where Ultra decks a rampaging woman and the guards keep shouting "stop that bitch!" and then "wow, she knocked that bitch out cold!" I didn't enjoy seeing the author's use bitch as a synonym for women when i wasn't sure how they meant the reader to take it. Are these guys plainly dicks and this is how we know that they are? Or does this bitch just need a smack in the face?

Because the book doesn't keep a consistent tone it is difficult to work out the context and the way that certain scenes are meant to be read in. Sometimes it's a grossout comedy, sometimes it's a seriois adult drama. It is not impossivle cor a book to be both of those, but this one did not handle it very well.

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mrstatham

I'm gonna go have a reread, I think, both because I enjoyed the book before and because I want to be able to talk about it constructively.

But I do see what you mean about the book being a little problematic in terms of it's language. I actually thought the Lunas did a decent job of differentiating the three lead girls (plus the snooty Laserwoman, I think her name was?) in terms of their attitude - right from the first pages, but the language is perhaps a bit off, from what I recall. I definitely think a reread of the book.

From what I recall though, I thought it was good, but perhaps a little incoherent...

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It felt a bit like they weren't sure what sort of book they wanted to write.

It's like Jack Lemmon in The Apartment - a character from another film who's been dropped to something completely different.

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proteus_lives

1. Nice steal from a Julia Roberts movie.

2. If one person can lift a bus on their head, there will be an imbalance. That's natural and it would be in the undertones.

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ardat_lili

I mean, in my marriage one of us is literally twice the size of the other. There's always power imbalances in relationships--money, strength, race, ability--and the key is for everyone to show up and be vulnerable in their own way.

Which is to say, I agree. It's natural and it happens. I think part of the interesting thing with "Ultra" is that it turns out the power imbalance goes both ways, with the aftermath of this scene.

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Same here. My guy *literally* weighs twice as much as me - mostly due to an immense amount of muscle mass. I'm quite sure he's probably twice as strong as I am, if not more.

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icon_uk

Makes mental note not to piss off whitesycamore to the extent she might sic her significant other on me...

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He used to be a hooker!

In the Rugby sense.

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bariman

So glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that!

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darkknightjrk

He becomes a dick in this? That sucks. This actually felt like a great scene.

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mrstatham

That's kind of the point. He seems great, and the shit he pulls will make you hurt as much as it does Pearl. It's a bait and switch, but it's damn effective and hurts way more than someone starting out being a prick to her and just continuing to be a prick.

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nezchan

Off topic for a moment, but did she just move into an apartment under construction? No curtains, very little furniture, only thing on the wall is a single poster. This isn't a room anyone has lived in more than a day or two.

Also, in scale with the power outlet on the far side, those light switches must be about 1/4" high.

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mrstatham

It's the guy's room, which he rents out with a suspiciously Ron Jeremy-esque guy who 'comically' knocks on the door proclaiming he knows his roommate is jerking off, as I recall.

When Pearl returns after a certain point in the story, I think she finds the roommate in bed with a sex doll, and he clearly likes the idea of being in the same bed she and Jason slept in.

Pearl, for her part, is really, really well-paid (part of the benefit of superheroes largely being treated in a manner akin to supermodels and being part of corporations and high-end, well paid groups), and rents a rather more fancy apartment.

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It's his apartment

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Pearl is well adjusted, not beating herself up about sleeping with a guy on her first date and seems grounded.

It's a bit unsettling to hear that this is apparently not the normal reaction to have.

Personally, I wouldn't go on a date with someone I didn't already *know* I wanted to sleep with. That's like, sort of the point of dating imo.

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mrstatham

There is something of a bad reputation unnecessarily attached to sex on the first date, or at least, by most standards presented by most media, there is - not the notion of dating someone you're sexually attracted to.

As in, in most movies, I guess, the 'first date' is either split between two camps - The couple will either kiss on the doorstep and go their seperate ways, or they'll kiss and go inside and have sex. The latter is usually presented as having negative consequences, from the stuff I've seen.

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I think for alot (term entirely subjective and is meaningless and is based purely on the social groups I encountered as a child) of us (men and women), there does, because thats what we were brought up with culturally and what makes us comfortable is cool. So long as we don't shame others for what doesn't make THEM uncomfortable (ie, sex early in a relationship or sex with few emotional ties etc)

It's really hard to get over that knee jerk reaction though, simply because we're programmed to be hostile to those outside our social troops by instinct, compounded with the cultural indoctrination everyone undergoes (I don't use the term indoctrination to sound SINISTER, everyone has a cultural identity to some extent and we're all influenced by it to some extent, I just couldn't think of a better word).

Speaking as a CISmale raised in moderatly religeous protestant republican environment, unconscious persecution is still a problem for me even when I intellectually and consciously acknowledge sex is not taboo and what people do with it and their bodies is their own business. It's so subtle you don't even realize your doing it unless you stop to think about it.

And now that I think about -that-, thats pretty depressing

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There is something of a bad reputation unnecessarily attached to sex on the first date, by most standards presented by most media, there is - not the notion of dating someone you're sexually attracted to.

Most media, or most American media? *ducks*

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mrstatham

Take your pick. I'm not American (English), don't live in America (I'm in the UK), but what I've described seems fairly prevalent in material from both sides of the pond.

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I made that point because it's not an uncommon reaction in fiction.

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I know, it's just... I understand that in fiction men really hate it when you have sex with them "too soon" (as though they themselves were powerless to prevent that happening), but it jars with my real life experience.

I've found that jumping into bed with each other quickly generally just means that the date went well and that you're really *into each other.*

I suppose I don't tend to date uptight prudish slut-shaming men who hate their own sexuality and want to displace that hatred onto their partners though.

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quatoria

Honestly, I think we see that in fiction because a lot of fiction is written by authors a generation or two behind the current one. I know my peer group has never had any weird hangups about early sex, or who initiates it, and I can't recall ever hearing people complaining about it from my age group, either. As you said, though, it's something you see frequently in fiction.

Still, the plural of anecdote is not data, so who knows - maybe the vast majority of Western males in the 18-35 group really do have a problem with people jumping into bed quickly. I'd be surprised to find that out, though.

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I think it was more about the commentators concern of 'first date sexings' getting a woman hit with slutshaming - the infamous double standard yeah? Men are encouraged to have sex, and if he does he is considered (amongst his close peers at least) to be a bawse. If a woman does, somethings wrong with her. It falls to the old idea that for a woman, there HAS to be an emotional connection.

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And the fallacy that there has to some sort of time commitment or submission to a monogamous relationship for there to be an emotional connection but really we could go on for decades trying to debug the mess that is the human social pysche

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PS: A superheroine with a realistic bodytype what is this madness wheres her most common superpower?

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rdfox

Yeaaah, as a fairly large guy? I'll attest that I've had more than a few *really* fun sessions of sex with a partner that resulted in bruising and even bleeding for either or both of us--and not from BDSM play, either, just being very, very enthusiastic.

Granted, the bruises here are shown in weird places for it not to be a result of superpowered bondage, but power differential isn't a prerequisite for waking up pretty beat up the next day...

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o4owesome.blogspot.com

I'll have to re-read Ultra sometime soon; I remember it as being a really good, really fun book, but most of the details have slipped my mind.

By the by, Stubble, did you ever read The Sword? I got up to about... issue 10-12?... before poverty forced me to stop buying comics for a while. It was shaping up to be pretty cool too.

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