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Will the "Occupy Wall Street" crowd attempt to recruit the New York Comic Con crowd next week? Or vice versa? What happens when angst-ridden hipsters encounter angst-ridden cosplayers? One group smells like patchouli and the other, uh, doesn't. (NOTE: "Occupy Wall Street" corrected from "Occupy New York." Oops)

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Date: 2011-10-08 04:06 am (UTC)
k_red: (Default)
From: [personal profile] k_red
it's actually occupy wall street, a movement by regular americans to protest the big spending and ...eccentricities of corporate america, to put it nicely. it's been going on for a while over here in nyc and has recently picked up steam in the american news media, so it's a pretty big deal.

Date: 2011-10-08 04:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
(I am a New Yorker and I have heard a bit about it, just not by that name I suppose) Guess I haven't been paying enough attention (school's a fun distractor like that).

Guess the "angst ridden" hipsters threw me.

Date: 2011-10-08 04:19 am (UTC)
k_red: (Default)
From: [personal profile] k_red
yeah, as rainspirit said, "angst-ridden hispters" is really not an accurate way to describe people exercising their freedom of speech. and they're not called occupy new york at all, which is why you haven't heard that name.

Date: 2011-10-08 08:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rainspirit
Hipsters is kind of a misnomer as well. From what I've seen, the only qualification to be part of the movement is being "one of the 99%". Aka the ones who aren't super rich and are being screwed by Wall Street. Not exactly obscure or ironic in the least!

Date: 2011-10-08 11:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] filthysize
I've been down there. Union groups have joined and there are a lot of middle-aged blue collar people protesting. Calling them hipsters would just be silly.

Date: 2011-10-08 01:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] turtlefu
I don't know about New York, but Portland has a lot of people in V for Vendetta masks blasting Radiohead, and Boston has a lot of art hippies from the South End.

Date: 2011-10-08 04:10 pm (UTC)
dancesontrains: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dancesontrains
But it's Portland.

Date: 2011-10-08 07:30 pm (UTC)
lissa_quon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
The V masks have been a thing at a lot of the protests, at least as much as I've seen.

I sure the V masks are being worn by veterans of the Anonymous Scientology protests. At those protests keeping your face covered was like Rule #1.

Date: 2011-10-08 08:04 pm (UTC)
turtlefu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] turtlefu
The current "Anonymous" group is so incredibly different from the original Anonymous Scientology protests that I don't even consider them part of the same movement.

Also, wearing Guy Fawkes masks has, and always will be, incredibly stupid. Especially to people who actually understand the history of the Gunpowder plot.

Date: 2011-10-08 10:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Yeah, but they aren't Guy Fawkes masks to those people, they're V masks. That's the issue with what the film did to V's character, frankly - he's not designed to be a figurehead, because the book's version is arguably as bad a person as Fawkes was. The film positions him as a revolutionary hero who inspires the masses through subterfuge and trickery, and that's what that Anon flock seem to be pushing, not the antics of Fawkes.

Date: 2011-10-08 11:36 pm (UTC)
turtlefu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] turtlefu
Even then, as a V mask, it makes to sense.

Guy Fawkes wanted a strict totalitarian theocracy.
V wanted pure anarchy in reaction to fascism.

The protesters are against an oligarchy, but to say that we are currently living in a fascist society is just delusional. And I highly doubt the Wall Street protesters want pure anarchy.

Date: 2011-10-08 11:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Ah, but again, the film changes what V is. By having dozens wear the mask in the finale, and Evey basically stating he saved the country, the film is a lot less ambiguous, the context more simple. He's basically a heroic political symbol in the film, like it or not. And those that haven't read the book probably think nothing of appropriating his image to try and deal with what they feel is an overly oppressive force.

Date: 2011-10-09 02:08 am (UTC)
turtlefu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] turtlefu
That's probably one of the biggest problems. The graphic novel is nuanced and complex. The film is simple and comparatively stupid.

Out of all these "activists" who swear to V, I wonder how many of them actually bothered to read the graphic novel with any depth.

Date: 2011-10-09 06:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
In the book, the destruction of Parliament is basically V's final act and is significant since he spends the early chapters tearing down the current government's symbols and places of power. I'm fairly sure Parliament also has some significance to Norsefire, too. So it's definitely symbolic.

But the idea of V having 'superpowers' in the film bugged me, to be honest. In the book, it's merely implied his time at Larkhill did something to him, and I think there's a couple of bits where above-human power is suggested, but otherwise, it's V's smarts that get him through, not some wishy-washy bullet-time stuff.

I also don't think the V of the book is entirely a monster; Norsefire display that some kind of sustainable life is possible in England, even in a post-nuclear world. But he gives the people choice. He gives them freedom to do as they please and to find their own way. Whether that's a good thing or not is up to the reader to decide..

Date: 2011-10-10 12:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] notactuallyauser
No, in the book, V destroys the Houses of Parliament in the first issue (its place is taken by the Old Bailey in the film.)

Date: 2011-10-10 12:51 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
You're quite right. V destroys Downing Street at the end of the book. Still, it's equally significant as a target to be destroyed.

Date: 2011-10-10 01:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] timgueugen
We had a mask wearing protestor like that when George W. Bush visited a couple of years ago.
http://saskatoonseven.blogspot.com/2009/10/mr-bush-visits-saskatoon.html

Date: 2011-10-08 11:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
I've never seen anyone do this. Am I just not frequenting the right parts of Portland?

Date: 2011-10-08 11:39 pm (UTC)
turtlefu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] turtlefu
I got it from twitter, so maybe the information is wrong. But that's what I've heard.

:p

Date: 2011-10-09 12:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cleome45
That sounds like it should be a verse from Weird Al's next masterwork.

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