Date: 2011-10-27 01:01 am (UTC)
freezer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] freezer
That is some fine unintentional douchbaggery, right there.

Date: 2011-10-27 01:02 am (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Boston's always been a bit...clumsy that way, hasn't he?

Date: 2011-10-27 01:26 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
yeah i couldn't help but laugh. i was like... DUDE! you DID NOT just go there...

Date: 2011-10-27 03:10 am (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Let's count the ways...
Having Dove sleep with a different body nearly everynight... and calling it old fashion... that MIGHT work in a manga, but Dove does have some real standards...
He's dead, so it kinda counts as neco...
Using a body of a married man, adultery right there...

Yeah, I say he is on par of those skin-wearing mutants from Beneath Planet of the Apes, the ones who have their enemies kill each other and call themselves pacifists...

Date: 2011-10-27 01:23 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
honestly i DON"T think that's what he was trying to do. I honestly think like Nezchan said, he was VERY clumsy... I think Dawn had the wrong impression (Though i would like to stress it was NOT unfounded) from him in that moment.

Date: 2011-10-27 05:16 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i figured that was the cut. i didn't figure she interpreted it wrong and left (again she has cause to assume he would mean... THAT... but still)

the fact we didn;t SEE what transpired leaves it VERY open to interpretation... and the only reason i am siding with boston is that Dude just seems to SUCK at dealing with living people :D

Date: 2011-10-27 01:18 am (UTC)
protogarrett: (Default)
From: [personal profile] protogarrett
Well, he is in a bit of a position. How long has it been since he probably got laid? For phsyical contact of any kind he has to be inside someone. (Pun not intended, but hilarious nonetheless.)

Date: 2011-10-27 03:42 am (UTC)
kenn_el: Northstar_Hmm (Default)
From: [personal profile] kenn_el
I don't actually want to know what it's like to be dead, but, while I get Dawn's frustration, I don't really get Boston's. It's not as if he should have any physical desires. He had a hamburger when he was alive in Brightest Day, but we don't see him haunting McDonald's.

Date: 2011-10-27 05:18 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
well in THIS case i think its psychological. he WAS alive and in a physical relationship just... what a few months ago... he probably still remembers what it was like. so he's having a hard time Re-letting go.

Date: 2011-10-27 05:22 am (UTC)
kenn_el: Northstar_Hmm (Default)
From: [personal profile] kenn_el
Hence my comparison with hamburgers. Easier to re-experience, and no raping involved.

Date: 2011-10-27 01:25 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i hope this isn't the end for Dawn and Boston, i really hope they work it out... for some reason, i really love this relationship.

But i do think they need couple's counseling.

i also have to say, this issue is actually being dealt with in a mature way (not making it a joke).

Date: 2011-10-27 02:21 am (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
If they're going to break them up so easily and quickly (and so clumsily) then what was the point of maintaining the relationship coming out of Blackest Night/Brightest Day, especially when other parts of those books have been retconned? I hope this is a red herring.

Date: 2011-10-27 01:51 am (UTC)
tsunamiwombat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tsunamiwombat
Really finding it hard to sympathize with Boston here, and i'm a CISmale. I know, I know that it must be tremendously frustrating for him. For both of them. It's terrible for their relationship.


No Means No, Boston.
No. Means. No
As soon as you start to try and argue about it, you've crossed a line.

Date: 2011-10-27 03:41 am (UTC)
rocketlindy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rocketlindy
I'd disagree.

Date: 2011-10-27 03:55 am (UTC)
rocketlindy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rocketlindy
Okay, clarification, because it's late and I'm tired and I don't want to sound like an ass:

No means no, but it might be "no, with an asterisk." As in, "No, but if I knew I didn't have to do anything in the morning, then maybe." Or "no, because this situation weirds me out, but if you explained it in a way that makes sense, then I'll think about it."

There's a line, I just don't think he crossed it. He crossed some other, unrelated lines (the "don't use some guy's body to bone your girlfriend, because even if he okay'd it it's still hella creepy" line comes to mind,) but I don't think he's pushing her too hard. If she had a history of being a total pushover, or just not being able to stand up for herself, I think it would be an issue--but she's strong enough, and he's aware that she's strong enough, to not cave in to the slightest pressure.

Date: 2011-10-27 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
actually why should it be frustrating? I mean yeah, he's a guy.. but he's a dead guy.

No hormones. So yeah, appreciating the female body, even fantasizing, there's all kinds of stuff he could do, because he had a living mind and knows how it works and all, but the he has no libido no actual sex drive to crank up.

Date: 2011-10-27 02:30 am (UTC)
freezer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] freezer
No hormones. But he still has memories and emotions. And they can be more powerful than any hormone in the book.

Date: 2011-10-27 02:37 am (UTC)
nyadnar17: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Pretty much. I mean I would understand if he was missing the intimacy of sex, but listening to him talk made it sound like a physical need.

Also if Dawn had said yes would they have basically been raping that poor dude? I mean Boston pretty much destroyed that guys relationship in a clumsy attempt to get laid. He couldn't have just hired a male escort?

Date: 2011-10-27 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
He's somehow got a mind without a brain; why shouldn't he have a sex drive without hormones? It's not like anything else about him makes sense.

Date: 2011-10-27 07:33 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Phantom memory like an amuptee perhaps? He remembers the pleasing sensations involved with the act, and wants to experience it again.

Date: 2011-10-27 03:01 am (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Boston... you-you dumbass...

Date: 2011-10-27 03:19 am (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
BRB dying. Hahaha, oh man this is some good crack.

Though I do feel bad for the two. I mean hell Dawn can't even see Boston (though the art makes it seem like she can almost) she can only hear his ghost self and only "see" him when he's possessing someone. I mean hell, they managed to make it more tragic than Wildfire and Dawnstars relationship, since at least those two can see each other. .

Date: 2011-10-27 03:40 am (UTC)
midnightvoyager: Just Middy (Deadpool o_O)
From: [personal profile] midnightvoyager
Am I the only one who half recognized the poem?

Dionaea House, anyone?

"there was a crooked man
and he walked a crooked mile
he found a crooked sixpence
upon a crooked stile
he bought a crooked cat
who caught a crooked mouse
and they all lived together
in a crooked little house"

Date: 2011-10-27 03:44 am (UTC)
rocketlindy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rocketlindy
It's also a regular-old nursery rhyme.

Date: 2011-10-27 03:45 am (UTC)
midnightvoyager: Just Middy (Deadpool o_O)
From: [personal profile] midnightvoyager
I think I like the house better.

(Actually, I'd never heard it in any other context, thanks for noting it!)

Date: 2011-10-27 03:48 am (UTC)
rocketlindy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rocketlindy
I've never heard of Dionaea House--is it a creepy-internet-story a la Slenderman or various creepypasta?

Date: 2011-10-27 03:50 am (UTC)
midnightvoyager: Just Middy (Default)
From: [personal profile] midnightvoyager
It's an internet story, I guess, a la Slenderman. I think I heard it was sold to a studio to become a movie like five years ago. The thing being In Her Head reminded me of it.

Here it is. There's sortof... There's other stuff in it, like it eventually has a link to a blog somewhere. I think the rhyme was on one of those. Been a while since I read it, but it's the only place I've seen that nursery rhyme before, so it's automatically creepy to me.

Plot Induced Stupidty!

Date: 2011-10-27 05:41 am (UTC)
blue_bolt: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blue_bolt
You what I hate about fictional characters? How writers make into idiots so they can move the plot along. Here's an idea - heck three - about what he could have done, or what Dawn could have suggested:

1. Find a friend who's willing to sub in, a superhero who is willing to loan their body to Deadman with all 3 parties giving their informed consent.
2. Ask a male prostitute if they can pay him to lend his body to Deadman. Seriously, prostitutes already sell their bodys, I'm sure that you could find one who was thrilled to be part of superhero intercourse (even they remember next to nothing after).
3. Make a golem (Zatana can do it with just "melog htiw egral sinep!"

In regards to #1,2, if the inhabited person was unsure about lending their body when they wouldn't remember what happened after, offer to record the sex (though that is it's own can of worms, believe me).

This is why I hate some many comics and shows, because rather than trying hard to make a good story, they just make characters act like idiots rather than come up with something that actually makes sense. There are enough obstacles in a relationship without having Mephisto take your marriage, or making a superhero act like an idiot. The latter appears to DC and Marvel 101 for romance.

Re: Plot Induced Stupidty!

Date: 2011-10-27 05:58 am (UTC)
arbre_rieur: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
Number 1 and 2 don't really solve the problem that, for Dawn, it'd still feel like sleeping with another man.

Re: Plot Induced Stupidty!

Date: 2011-10-27 06:14 am (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
What if the friend/prostitute was a shape-shifter? That'd probably help a bit.

Re: Plot Induced Stupidty!

Date: 2011-10-27 06:25 am (UTC)
blue_bolt: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blue_bolt
Yes! That's brilliant!

Another idea that just occured to me: cloning Boston Brand's body to make a body he can inhabit (but inhibiting brain growth) - there's so many ways to solve the age issue, whether Talia's solution for Damien or just having Booster Gold stash it in a hospital on life support twenty years in the past. Deadman could just stay in that body for things other than sex like CHEESEBURGER! (and beer...)

I realize that some of you might be opposed to the inhibiting brain growth idea, but all it requires is to adjust the cloning process so that the body never becomes sentient, hopefully Dawn would be okay with this (and given his characterization Deadman definately wouldn't be squicked by this).

Re: Plot Induced Stupidty!

Date: 2011-10-27 07:44 am (UTC)
sadoeuphemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
Are you seriously suggesting shapeshifting prostitutes / magical golems / brain dead clones as sensible solutions to a relationship problem? Because that's terrible.

If magical golems or brain dead clones are actually a viable solution, then poof, there goes the entire Deadman concept. Now he is Aliveman who can occasionally leave his body to possess people. The problem here isn't characters acting like idiots, the problem here is an overly expansive fictional universe + readers who can't look at a story a smaller part of that universe without thinking, "well, why doesn't Zatanna just swoop in to magic everything okay?"

Re: Plot Induced Stupidty!

Date: 2011-10-28 02:45 am (UTC)
ladytimedramon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ladytimedramon
*Now he is Aliveman who can occasionally leave his body to possess people.*

Wouldn't that make him Jericho? :p

Date: 2011-10-27 06:25 am (UTC)
proteus_lives: (Default)
From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
I wouldn't be comfortable with that set-up either.

Would you?

Date: 2011-10-27 06:32 am (UTC)
blue_bolt: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blue_bolt
I've got a question for all the readers out there:
Q: Would you have sex when you were in a body that had been gender swapped?

I'm not talking about in someone else's body, I'm asking only about if you are a guy and you're turned into a female (and vice versa) would you have sex with your partner(s) or would you prefer your own gender?

Assexuals: N/A

Me: I'd try masturbating with my gender swapped body (especially if I was female since I'd have a hymen) and getting the hang for it. After that YES.
P.S Transsexuals: I'm very curious as to what any of you have to say on this one.

Re: Would you?

Date: 2011-10-27 06:33 am (UTC)
blue_bolt: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blue_bolt
and by "prefer your own gender" I meant that a gal would be female, and a guy male rather that suggesting that the gender swap would have an impact on sexual orientation.

Date: 2011-10-27 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
Do they ever make it clear whether the guy had consented to what Boston's suggesting? Or June?

Date: 2011-10-27 03:13 pm (UTC)
filthysize: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filthysize
Not explicitly, but:

1. The guy is a serial cheater who's actually at that bar to pick up women even though he's married. Boston just used him because he happened to be where he and Dawn agreed to meet up.

2. June asked Boston to possess her so he can find traces of a witch inside her. I doubt Boston said, "Okay, but after I'm done checking this life-threatening affliction of yours, you mind if I use your body to have sex with my girlfriend?"

Date: 2011-10-27 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
If 1 is supposed to make me think the situation is okay, it really doesn't.

Date: 2011-10-28 05:10 pm (UTC)
kenn_el: Northstar_Hmm (Default)
From: [personal profile] kenn_el
We don't actually know the guy's intentions, though, but rather infer them through third parties. Either way, sex with Dawn might not be to his liking, and Boston would be taking away his choice.

Date: 2011-10-27 12:08 pm (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
So, people can SEE Boston now? I mean, Dawn's looking at him!Deadman not possessing a random guy on that second page....?!

And if yes, can't she touch/grab/have contact with Deadmant hen? He's like Casper?

Date: 2011-10-27 02:51 pm (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
I'm a little confused about that too. I'm assuming she's just hearing him (which she can do) and just looking at the direction of his voice.

Nope, can't be touched. Guess even agents of Order can't have fun with non corporeal ghosts.

Date: 2011-10-27 01:54 pm (UTC)
lieut_kettch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
And here I thought their unique situation would simplify things.

Step 1: Boston possesses Dawn, but leaves her aware and semi in-control.

Step 2: Bring out Hitachi Magic Wand.


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