scans_daily: Title Fight

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@ 2011-10-27 11:04 pm UTC

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creator: marcio takara, creator: mark waid, title: incorruptible

Title Fight

Four pages from INCORRUPTIBLE 23...

We don't find out what he says, but...

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	no subject big_daddy_d 2011-10-28 06:39 am UTC (link)
	Gotta admit..I like that newspaper. (Reply to this)

	no subject proteus_lives 2011-10-28 06:45 am UTC (link)
	That kind of press is priceless. What did Max say??? (Reply to this)

	no subject silicondream 2011-10-28 06:54 am UTC (link)
	Welp, apparently Max is a speedster if he's awake for long enough. Maybe he's figured out a way to beat the sleep thing, or work around it. Gotta say, for an issue with a straight slugfest this was very fun. Max has Tony figured out--nothing messes with Tony's head more than affection and honesty. (Reply to this)

	no subject outlawpoet 2011-10-28 06:57 am UTC (link)
	I bet the newspaper editor creamed his pants when Max brought that shit to him to print. Seriously that is the most epic headline ever. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 25 comments) (Show 25 comments)

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icon_uk
2011-10-28 07:31 am UTC (link)

I should imagine the editors reaction would be more like "Suuuuuure, let's piss of the world-devastating Superman analogue by making our... I dunno, Wonder Man, analogue look good at his expense."

Plus what happens when Coalville is devastated indirectly (Volcanic clouds kicked up by Plutonian lighting a cigar from Etna or the like), or the supplies they will need from outside the town get Plutonianed to dust?

It also means people will be flocking to Coalville from all over as it's a sanctuary, will Plutonian allow that?

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	no subject fifthie 2011-10-28 07:39 am UTC (link)
	I should imagine the editors reaction would be more like "Suuuuuure, let's piss of the world-devastating Superman analogue by making our... I dunno, Wonder Man, analogue look good at his expense." It's not like NOT pissing off the Plutonian has any correlation with whether or not he viciously murders you. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject crabby_lioness 2011-10-28 01:40 pm UTC (link)
	True. So far the more they've begged, the worse he's behaved. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject q99 2011-10-28 09:03 am UTC (link)
	- I should imagine the editors reaction would be more like "Suuuuuure, let's piss of the world-devastating Superman analogue by making our... I dunno, Wonder Man, analogue look good at his expense."- But, as far as they can tell, Max really did win. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject misterbug 2011-10-28 09:36 am UTC (link)
	Funny, I always thought Max was a Metallo analogue, given that they initially put the emphasis on his inability to feel anything. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 19 comments) (Show 19 comments)

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icon_uk
2011-10-28 09:44 am UTC (link)

I was just thinking in terms of "Someone vaguely powerful who could probably trade punches with Superman level guy for a while, but really isn't in their league" (Though Max appears to have had a major power upgrade for this story as I don't recall any previous suggestion that he'd be a proper match for Plutonian)

In terms of not being able to feel, do they mean that the same way, as in "no sense of touch" versus "unable to experience emotion"?

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	no subject misterbug 2011-10-28 09:46 am UTC (link)
	The second one, I believe. Behold: (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 9 comments) (Show 9 comments)

	no subject silicondream 2011-10-28 09:59 am UTC (link)
	You mean the first one, I assume? He's obviously experiencing plenty of emotion there. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject misterbug 2011-10-28 09:59 am UTC (link)
	Er. Yes, probably. Woopsie... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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icon_uk
2011-10-28 10:00 am UTC (link)

Hmm, thanks. Though if they're suggesting that he can't feel, smell or taste, one has to wonder why he can hear, since that depends on the various bits and bobs inside the ear being able to be vibrated by soundwaves, which one would assume his wouldn't be since they're invulnerable and superdurable.

Diamond Lil of Omega Flight was the first character I can think of who had the "sensory limitations regarding touch as a result of invulnerability" (Though Byrne would return to the concept with one of his Next Men)

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misterbug
2011-10-28 10:03 am UTC (link)

Though Waid was trumped by Chris Bachalo in "Avengers - The Initiative" in pointing out the romantic repercussions; Butterball/Boulder is unable to take damage from almost any attack, but when one of his comrades drunkenly tries to make out with him her touch doesn't excite him in the least. I admire the mind that decides to take the character marketed as comic relief and then give them the tragic stigma of being a teenager who can never become sexually aroused.

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	no subject icon_uk 2011-10-28 10:09 am UTC (link)
	Also the fact that he was overweight and out of condition at the time of his power manifesting means that, whilst functionally immortal and will never age, he'll never be able to get in shape, or become more physically proficient, or appear to be an adult. It's a messed up power, that's for sure. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject misterbug 2011-10-28 10:11 am UTC (link)
	You wonder whether his parents just prayed they'd have a kid with a long life and a tough outer shell, and Mephisto happened to be walking his dog outside the church grounds and overheard them. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject darkblade 2011-10-28 04:34 pm UTC (link)
	As good an explanation as to how someone with no apparent origin could have powers without being a mutant. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject crabby_lioness 2011-10-28 01:44 pm UTC (link)
	Max has normal senses for approximately the first hour after waking up. He really hates having his wake-up routine interrupted. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject shadur 2011-10-29 11:13 pm UTC (link)
	When I first read that, my initial reaction was "... Man, if I got screwed over by the universe that way, I'm not sure I wouldn't wind up wanting to hurt as many people as possible for it..." (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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silicondream
2011-10-28 10:28 am UTC (link)

Looking back at the earlier issues, I see that Max did show off his superspeed now and then. And he was always described as "the only known super-being able to survive physical combat with the Plutonian." But yeah, there's a difference between surviving and winning. And Tony comments that Max has gotten tougher. He must have cracked the sleep thing somehow.

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	no subject icon_uk 2011-10-28 10:32 am UTC (link)
	And also a difference between "Plutonian as heroic Superman type who would not attempt to all out kill a human opponent" and "All-out sociopath Plutonian who would slaughter hundreds without really noticing" (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

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silicondream
2011-10-28 10:37 am UTC (link)

Maybe he was always able to go pretty much all-out against Max without worrying about that, thanks to Max's invulnerability. I mean, otherwise the FBI description wouldn't make a big deal out of Max being able to survive a fight with him. Presumably lots of other supervillains fought hero-Tony and survived, but only because he was holding back.

We also know that Tony doesn't really become a much better fighter when he stops holding back. He's meaner, but as Survivor pointed out, he lacks skill.

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wizardru
2011-10-28 12:45 pm UTC (link)

Well, the more I think about it, I think a lot of it has to do with two things:

Tony previously had a code and Max didn't, which makes Tony more dangerous and Max less so. BUT, Tony is now much more cowardly and paranoid (because he really DOES have everyone against him), so he's much less likely to risk what he once might have.

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	no subject q99 2011-10-28 07:43 pm UTC (link)
	I think it also makes Max more driven. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject arbre_rieur 2011-10-28 10:33 am UTC (link)
	It was said pretty early on that Max can reach Plutonian-level strength if he goes for long enough without sleep. He just hasn't had much occasion to do so in the series. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-10-28 10:52 am UTC (link)
	Though presumably that would have had the inherent implication that by the time he reached that level, he'd be so out of it through sleep deprivation he'd be more dangerous and less rational than the Plutonian is now, certainly not likely to be able to put together a coherent scheme against him. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject silicondream 2011-10-28 11:00 am UTC (link)
	Yep. Alana said that he'd always start making stupid errors in judgment once he got to that point. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject outlawpoet 2011-10-28 07:00 pm UTC (link)
	More likely it was simply staged in front of witnesses, so they think it's real. But yeah, the practical issues depend a lot on what Max's secret convincing argument is, and how inclined the Plutonian is to keep well away from Coalville. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject thokstar 2011-10-28 11:12 am UTC (link)
	My real problem with a Max Damage-Plutonian fight is that Max Damage hasn't shown any ability to fly or do ranged attacks. I'm not sure what Max Damage can do if the Plutonian decides to fly him into the sun as a sneak attack. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject aulayan 2011-10-28 12:03 pm UTC (link)
	Not much of a sneak attack if someone grabs you and flies you millions of miles away. You can fight back while grappled. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject q99 2011-10-28 12:17 pm UTC (link)
	Yea, I'd figure grabbing Max like that would open him up to inflicting some really nasty damage, then surviving the fall when Plutonian lets go. Plutonian's not super-skilled. That should apply to grappling as well. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	fanboy alert pervymax 2011-10-28 02:33 pm UTC (link)
	toss him in the air, then keep hitting him with eye beams until you're out of earth's gravity range. Point him @ the sun, give him one last burst, and go eat tokyo. psshh....now lemme tell you I'd beat wolverine....in involves a giant magnet.... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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silicondream
2011-10-28 09:13 pm UTC (link)

The Plutonian shouldn't actually have to grapple, though. We know he can toss people into the stratosphere (at least) with one hand, and he can keep an airborne enemy moving in the right direction with thrown objects and super-breath. He should be able to put Max in orbit without touching him for more than a split-second.

(AKA "Why Superman shouldn't have had any trouble with Doomsday," only more so, because Tony actually has experience fighting Max.)

OTOH, Tony was busy trying to pump Max for info on Alana in this scene, so presumably he wasn't really trying for a quick kill.

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	no subject wizardru 2011-10-28 01:10 pm UTC (link)
	Aside from what others have mentioned is the simple fact that Tony is not actually that good of a fighter. He's super-powerful and isn't used to having to actually use advanced tactics or martial skill to win a fight. It most likely never even occurs to him that he could even try. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject crabby_lioness 2011-10-28 01:49 pm UTC (link)
	Tony wanted all the trappings of super-herodom: the super-team, the secret hideout, the teen sidekick, the girlfriend, the arch-nemesis. Only his arch-nemesis hasn't let him down. I imagine he'd cut him some slack for that. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject outlawpoet 2011-10-28 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	Weirdly, he might have a better relationship with Max than almost anybody else. There aren't any real betrayal or upheaval issues, Max's surprising conversation aside, they're where they've always been. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject glimmung 2011-10-28 08:43 pm UTC (link)
	That is so screwed up. Kind of endearing in a way. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	This was a surprisingly fun issue.. steverodgers5 2011-10-29 12:26 am UTC (link)
	I wasn't much interested in this series. But after this issue I may have to rectify that, and check out some of the back issues.. (Reply to this)

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This was a surprisingly fun issue..