Date: 2011-10-29 12:39 pm (UTC)
salinea: Magneto going *?* (wtf)
From: [personal profile] salinea
what?

Date: 2011-10-29 12:42 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
No, I'm just confused by the last panel. I don't get it.

Date: 2011-10-29 12:49 pm (UTC)
deepspaceartist: Ed Robinson of Barnaked Ladies making a funny face behind Tyler Stewart (Default)
From: [personal profile] deepspaceartist
I believe that last panel is Steph becoming dead again (aka. a ghost), while Cass has reverted to Evil OYL Cass.

Date: 2011-10-29 12:56 pm (UTC)
salinea: kid!Loki, smiling adorably (*g*)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Oooooh. Okay, thanks.

Date: 2011-10-29 12:57 pm (UTC)
salinea: (fuck dc)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Yeah, I'd avoided reading the comics with evil!Cass for some strange reason so I did recognize it. I was wondering why Lady Shiva was in the strip suddenly.

Date: 2011-10-29 12:57 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Except that doesn't make much sense since we had the solicitations for Steph's appearance (it would seem as Spoiler) in "Batman Inc." some time ago.

Date: 2011-10-29 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
Except that before it featured Steph as Spoiler, that story was supposed to feature Steph as Batgirl.

Date: 2011-10-29 01:06 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yeah, but that's still far from "dead"

Date: 2011-10-29 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
It is not, however, far from "they changed it before, they may change it again".

Date: 2011-10-29 05:07 pm (UTC)
bariman: by perletwo (Default)
From: [personal profile] bariman
Batman punching teenage girls in the face never gets old.

Date: 2011-10-29 07:05 pm (UTC)
zenbro: Robin rescuing Batman (robin thighs)
From: [personal profile] zenbro
If private schools and magic freak him out this much, I'd hate to see him at Hogwarts.

Date: 2011-10-29 08:45 pm (UTC)
nezchan: For those awesome moments (hellyeah!)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Hell, I'd LOVE to see it!

Date: 2011-10-30 07:52 am (UTC)
bariman: by perletwo (Default)
From: [personal profile] bariman
I can see how that would color his perception of magic as an adult. Except for knowing the Zataras and their using magic for good when he was a child. Eh, comics.

Date: 2011-10-29 01:07 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Which is fine, but I don't see where the "ghost" part comes in. She's not.

Date: 2011-10-29 01:25 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Then, and I realise I'm probably belabouring this issue, it would have made sense and been funny if it had come out before her fate was known, but since it already is known, it's just odd.

Date: 2011-10-29 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
But we know they have already changed their minds about her fate. We know there are things that they seem not to have made their minds up about, and things they first said about the reboot before contradicting themselves (for instance, the Titans' history, Tim's parents... all of which have been talked about in an unclear way at best). It's a joke on the principle of uncertainty so long as we don't have published proof that Steph and Cass are indeed Spoiler and Black Bat.

Date: 2011-10-29 01:55 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
But we know they have already changed their minds about her fate.

Do we? I recall a lot of fervent fan speculation about it, but I don't recall anything formal from DC one way or the other until the mention (by exclusion) that she had not been Robin, and the release of the reworked Batman Inc solicitation.

Certainly no statements she was dead, or had never existed.

Date: 2011-10-29 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
Admittedly, I don't remember since the reboot. But it's still telling that the Batman Inc story is the sequel (or the second part?) or a story that was started with Steph as Batgirl.

You see, you take Didio's statement of all the Robins having their own book to be a mention by exclusion, when it could as easily be taken for a statement that Steph didn't exist. It's no more a statement of Steph never being a Robin than it is of her existence being retconned away.

Whether they did or not doesn't contradict the point I was making, though.

Date: 2011-10-29 02:21 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
You see, you take Didio's statement of all the Robins having their own book to be a mention by exclusion

No, I took the statement (at some panel or other) that there had been four Robin's to be the exclusion, and Steph's appearance in Batman Inc was also discussed, so I never saw that as a statement she didn't exist.

I don't think this is the second half of a story either, all we've seen is Steph in one of the first issues of Batman Inc being given her mission, in her case to go to the School in England. That she was Batgirl. I don't think it's been referenced much since.

I'm not saying their haven't been changes, but I don't think DC has changed their mind after making those changes. The story with Steph was already set up before Flashpoint and we knew Batman and GL stories would be the least affected, so it still happening seemed inevitable.

Still, I think I'm in danger of spoiling the mood here, so I'll quietly drop out.

Date: 2011-10-29 01:35 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
But them being evil and dead is still a fun joke :)

Date: 2011-10-29 02:37 pm (UTC)
majingojira: (Squirrels)
From: [personal profile] majingojira
Indeed.

Though I just thought of a punchline of an even worse scenario:

Them being the Evil Dead.

Date: 2011-10-30 03:29 pm (UTC)
stubbleupdate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate


There are more options with trousers than just "skin tight" and "baggy"

Date: 2011-10-29 04:59 pm (UTC)
bariman: by perletwo (Default)
From: [personal profile] bariman
Cass bubble 1: Hi Tim!
Cass bubble 2: So it looks like I'm evil now.
Tim bubble: Oh not again!

Date: 2011-10-30 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Okay, there's a lot of things those trousers are, but "baggy"?

Date: 2011-10-31 10:44 am (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
It's EVIL CASS all over again! XD

Awesome Casstoon! XD

Date: 2011-10-29 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I hope they change up Spoiler's costume some

Date: 2011-10-29 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
Needs more pouches?... ;)

Date: 2011-10-29 03:35 pm (UTC)
bariman: by perletwo (Default)
From: [personal profile] bariman
Yes, for all her electro-magna-gooparangs.

What would Freud think?

Date: 2011-10-29 04:34 pm (UTC)
blue_bolt: Fat Watcher (Default)
From: [personal profile] blue_bolt
What does it say about me that I ready our post as "electro-magna-booberangs?"

Probably more than I'd like to admit I suppose.

Re: What would Freud think?

Date: 2011-10-29 04:36 pm (UTC)
blue_bolt: Fat Watcher (Default)
From: [personal profile] blue_bolt
I mean "read your post" not "ready our post" dear god what does that say about me?

I'm just full of weird hot sexy smex- I mean just plain jane weird, I mean just plain weird slipups this morning.

Re: What would Freud think?

Date: 2011-10-29 05:03 pm (UTC)
bariman: by perletwo (Default)
From: [personal profile] bariman
Steph: Electro-magna-boobarangs?
Proxy: Yeah, they stick fake boobs on the bad guy and shock him unconscious. That way they're all embarassed when they wake up in handcuffs.
Steph: Why do we even have these? They sound like something Green Arrow would use.
Proxy: Yeah, he was selling off a bunch of his old gear. Might as well use them for something.
Steph: Hmm. Call up Tim, see if he wants to have a "training session." Muhahaha.

Re: What would Freud think?

Date: 2011-10-29 06:04 pm (UTC)
darkblade: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkblade
Considering the sizes of most female supers on both sides I'd say the pilot program didn't work out as well as intended.

Re: What would Freud think?

Date: 2011-10-29 07:09 pm (UTC)
zenbro: Robin rescuing Batman (robin thighs)
From: [personal profile] zenbro
They wouldn't even need to be weaponized, just super-dense enough to throw off an attacker's center of gravity and voila! They fall down, unable to compensate. Easy capture.

Re: What would Freud think?

Date: 2011-10-29 06:10 pm (UTC)
darkblade: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darkblade
It's okay I read it as electro manga booberangs when they were first mentioned in the issue.

Date: 2011-10-29 07:35 pm (UTC)
bluestar86: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bluestar86
If they make Cass evil again, I'm never going to look at another DC book again. I won't argue with the people on the internet about this or that, I won't even comment on controversial pages, I'm just going to pretend DC doesn't exist. Even if they bring back Gen 13, because it will probably be bad anyway.

Date: 2011-10-29 10:28 pm (UTC)
ar_feiniel: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ar_feiniel
Or you could wait until they change their minds again and make her good again...probably only take a year or two.

Date: 2011-10-29 10:35 pm (UTC)
bluestar86: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bluestar86
Not a chance, they have basically done nothing that interest me in their books for years, and another slap in the face (seriously, reading DC has been like sticking my face in an angle grinder for the last couple of years) is basically the last straw.

Date: 2011-10-30 05:30 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Well, it could be worse. I'm not sure sure Wally West *ever existed* in the post-Flashpoint reality.

Date: 2011-10-30 03:28 pm (UTC)
stubbleupdate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stubbleupdate
You still have all of the books on your shelf though.

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