scans_daily: Casstoons: Bat Math!

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@ 2011-10-29 01:10 pm UTC

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char: black bat/batgirl/cassandra cain, char: commissioner gordon, char: robin/damian wayne, char: spoiler/batgirl/robin/steph brown, title: casstoons

Casstoons: Bat Math!

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	no subject salinea 2011-10-29 12:39 pm UTC (link)
	what? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 33 comments) (Show 33 comments)

	no subject espanolbot 2011-10-29 12:40 pm UTC (link)
	I figured out how Cass and Steph could still have been Batgirl, when people said that there wasn't enough time for them to be. :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 31 comments) (Show 31 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-10-29 12:42 pm UTC (link)
	No, I'm just confused by the last panel. I don't get it. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 30 comments) (Show 30 comments)

	no subject deepspaceartist 2011-10-29 12:49 pm UTC (link)
	I believe that last panel is Steph becoming dead again (aka. a ghost), while Cass has reverted to Evil OYL Cass. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject salinea 2011-10-29 12:56 pm UTC (link)
	Oooooh. Okay, thanks. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject espanolbot 2011-10-29 12:56 pm UTC (link)
	They were retconned further to Cass being evil again and Steph being dead. Cass is in her Evil Costume with the baggy trousers of doom, (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 27 comments) (Show 27 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-10-29 12:57 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I'd avoided reading the comics with evil!Cass for some strange reason so I did recognize it. I was wondering why Lady Shiva was in the strip suddenly. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-10-29 12:57 pm UTC (link)
	Except that doesn't make much sense since we had the solicitations for Steph's appearance (it would seem as Spoiler) in "Batman Inc." some time ago. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 19 comments) (Show 19 comments)

	no subject runespoor 2011-10-29 01:00 pm UTC (link)
	Except that before it featured Steph as Spoiler, that story was supposed to feature Steph as Batgirl. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-10-29 01:06 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, but that's still far from "dead" (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject runespoor 2011-10-29 01:13 pm UTC (link)
	It is not, however, far from "they changed it before, they may change it again". (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject espanolbot 2011-10-29 01:12 pm UTC (link)
	As demonstrated by the original cover, (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

	no subject bariman 2011-10-29 05:07 pm UTC (link)
	Batman punching teenage girls in the face never gets old. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject zenbro 2011-10-29 07:05 pm UTC (link)
	If private schools and magic freak him out this much, I'd hate to see him at Hogwarts. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject nezchan 2011-10-29 08:45 pm UTC (link)
	Hell, I'd LOVE to see it! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject espanolbot 2011-10-29 08:55 pm UTC (link)
	Heh, it's funny because in one of Grant Morrison's first stories with Batman, Bruce's highschool principal WAS a wizard... or a Faustian black magician in any case. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject bariman 2011-10-30 07:52 am UTC (link)
	I can see how that would color his perception of magic as an adult. Except for knowing the Zataras and their using magic for good when he was a child. Eh, comics. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject espanolbot 2011-10-29 01:00 pm UTC (link)
	Which could be taken to mean that she was Batgirl until Barbara was cured the extent that she could superhero, by which time she became Spoiler again. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-10-29 01:07 pm UTC (link)
	Which is fine, but I don't see where the "ghost" part comes in. She's not. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 6 comments) (Show 6 comments)

	no subject espanolbot 2011-10-29 01:13 pm UTC (link)
	It's a joke about the worst case scenario. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-10-29 01:25 pm UTC (link)
	Then, and I realise I'm probably belabouring this issue, it would have made sense and been funny if it had come out before her fate was known, but since it already is known, it's just odd. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

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runespoor
2011-10-29 01:33 pm UTC (link)

But we know they have already changed their minds about her fate. We know there are things that they seem not to have made their minds up about, and things they first said about the reboot before contradicting themselves (for instance, the Titans' history, Tim's parents... all of which have been talked about in an unclear way at best). It's a joke on the principle of uncertainty so long as we don't have published proof that Steph and Cass are indeed Spoiler and Black Bat.

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icon_uk
2011-10-29 01:55 pm UTC (link)

But we know they have already changed their minds about her fate.

Do we? I recall a lot of fervent fan speculation about it, but I don't recall anything formal from DC one way or the other until the mention (by exclusion) that she had not been Robin, and the release of the reworked Batman Inc solicitation.

Certainly no statements she was dead, or had never existed.

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runespoor
2011-10-29 02:07 pm UTC (link)

Admittedly, I don't remember since the reboot. But it's still telling that the Batman Inc story is the sequel (or the second part?) or a story that was started with Steph as Batgirl.

You see, you take Didio's statement of all the Robins having their own book to be a mention by exclusion, when it could as easily be taken for a statement that Steph didn't exist. It's no more a statement of Steph never being a Robin than it is of her existence being retconned away.

Whether they did or not doesn't contradict the point I was making, though.

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icon_uk
2011-10-29 02:21 pm UTC (link)

You see, you take Didio's statement of all the Robins having their own book to be a mention by exclusion

No, I took the statement (at some panel or other) that there had been four Robin's to be the exclusion, and Steph's appearance in Batman Inc was also discussed, so I never saw that as a statement she didn't exist.

I don't think this is the second half of a story either, all we've seen is Steph in one of the first issues of Batman Inc being given her mission, in her case to go to the School in England. That she was Batgirl. I don't think it's been referenced much since.

I'm not saying their haven't been changes, but I don't think DC has changed their mind after making those changes. The story with Steph was already set up before Flashpoint and we knew Batman and GL stories would be the least affected, so it still happening seemed inevitable.

Still, I think I'm in danger of spoiling the mood here, so I'll quietly drop out.

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	no subject q99 2011-10-29 01:35 pm UTC (link)
	But them being evil and dead is still a fun joke :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject majingojira 2011-10-29 02:37 pm UTC (link)
	Indeed. Though I just thought of a punchline of an even worse scenario: Them being the Evil Dead. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject stubbleupdate 2011-10-29 04:12 pm UTC (link)
	Baggy? Those? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject espanolbot 2011-10-29 04:14 pm UTC (link)
	Well baggy or she has disproportionate thighs. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject stubbleupdate 2011-10-30 03:29 pm UTC (link)
	There are more options with trousers than just "skin tight" and "baggy" (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject bariman 2011-10-29 04:59 pm UTC (link)
	Cass bubble 1: Hi Tim! Cass bubble 2: So it looks like I'm evil now. Tim bubble: Oh not again! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject espanolbot 2011-10-29 08:58 pm UTC (link)
	Eh, look at it this way: One of evil Cass' goals was to get Tim to join her in both a crimefighting AND relationshop capacity, which as of Red Robin/Gates of Gotham actually does/did seem to be the case. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject arilou_skiff 2011-10-30 12:02 am UTC (link)
	Okay, there's a lot of things those trousers are, but "baggy"? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject eyz 2011-10-31 10:44 am UTC (link)
	It's EVIL CASS all over again! XD Awesome Casstoon! XD (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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