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From the latest GREEN ASSHOLE/INCOMPETENT LASS. Spoilers, but actually nothing plot-related or particularly new, if you've been following the trainwreck thus far...


We open with a page of the Nonfunctional Newlyweds arguing offpanel about Ollie being unwilling to talk about whatever's up with him until he's ready, while the camera watches a woman with medical diplomas on her wall grow slowly more exasperated with them.

That's right, they're in therapy.



Dammit, neither of them has a secret identity and they haven't for a long -- Wait, hold on a tick. What's that you say? You've been in therapy before? Could it be... is Kreisberg actually showing some evidence of having read or even heard of Mike Grell's GREEN ARROW?



.... no, no, sorry, false alarm, just more stupidity.

The shrink then does the whole "what about your parents" deal, and of course Dinah has intense mommy issues which she won't talk about but flashbacks anyway, which leads us right back to Dinah's adolescence and this utterly asinine, bewilderingly fuck-stupid retcon where she deafened some friend of hers.



Nirvana poster! Wow, guys, you just keep trying to pretend you can shave two decades off Dinah's age and still maintain any credibility whatsoever. That hole of yours hasn't hit bedrock yet, don't stop digging!



Dinah Laurel yells, and does not evoke the Cry, and decides it must have been some kind of weird fluke and it's gone now, becuase she's apparently just that stupid. Dinah Drake agrees with this assessment, tells her daughter everything is perfectly normal, and sends her off to the hospital to visit her friend. Then she calls some unnamed third party, says yes it's been awhile, and "Look, I know you have had... difficulty... understanding why I needed to leave. And I will be forever appreciative of your bearing that difficulty entirely on your own..."



I seem to have underestimated Kreisberg. I thought he was just writing Dinah in an utterly amateur, disrespectful way because he didn't know how to make the marriage work without forcing them into unnatural roles for their characters.

But you don't retcon Dinah Drake to make Ollie work better. This guy has designs on Canary all for her own.

Hey, let's ask Babs how she feels about all this.



... I feel ya, babe. I really do.

Date: 2009-05-20 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scorpiokyle.insanejournal.com
what happened to her skin???

Date: 2009-05-20 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermore999.insanejournal.com
I think she's supposed to be crying and smearing her mascara.

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Date: 2009-05-20 04:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com
You can't go to a shrink without visiting a Tanning Salon first. Everyone knows that.

Date: 2009-05-20 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foxhack.insanejournal.com
Why the hell does Dinah look like Malibu Stacy in those first few scans?!

Date: 2009-05-20 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.insanejournal.com
Maybe they figure if they shave off 20 years now, it'll be correct for people reading this comic 20 years from now!

Date: 2009-05-20 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mullon.insanejournal.com
Perfect timing for when the Black Canary movie comes out.

Date: 2009-05-20 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysteryfan.insanejournal.com
Does look a bit like a trainwreck...

Poor Dinah.

Doesn't this book split into two stories soon, or am I confused?

Date: 2009-05-20 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sailorlibra.insanejournal.com
You're not confused. I thin Kriesberg is writing of them, however, which makes me unhappy.

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Date: 2009-05-20 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thebigapricot.insanejournal.com
Big Sigh. I don't know where to start with this mess.

I am going to ignore that they feel they need to be in their secret identities to seek counseling. Because apparently there is no patient/client confidentially in the DCU.

But why would they let Kreisberg go back to Dinah's "youth" which is the biggest shitfest of retcons to begin with. And I hope they are not going with a story that I think I see that she is the secret love child of some super villian. I am going to go back to trying to ignore Kreisberg.

Poor Babs. Is she crying because she

A. Knows the pain of having your past rewritten for plot purposes
B. Still can't believe that Dinah chose to marry Ollie rather than her
C. Has discovered that she is now 15 years older than Dinah



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Date: 2009-05-20 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seriousfic.insanejournal.com
And I hope they are not going with a story that I think I see that she is the secret love child of some super villian. I am going to go back to trying to ignore Kreisberg.

No, it's just that the Comedian really got around.

Date: 2009-05-20 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] parsimonia.insanejournal.com
For a second there, I thought that panel with Babs was actually from GA/BC, like she'd just found out about Dinah's teenage Canary Cry mishap and was all upset over it. (Of course, sense came to me in the next second, when I realize it would just be way too convenient for that information to available to her in comic form.) *headdesk*

I'm just trying to think about exactly what age the Nirvana poster and other music references would put her at. Probably in the 30-35 range? I mean, I listened to Nirvana when I was 12 or so, but Kurt Cobain was dead by then.

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Date: 2009-05-20 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fashi0n_mistake.insanejournal.com
...

Does anyone remember a time when comics were fun, characters were comptent and enjoyable, and both the above characters were people we could enjoy reading about?

Yeah. I thought that was just me making shit up.

Date: 2009-05-20 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com
Canary yes, Arrow... not so much, and I've been reading since the 1970's, he was just a character I instinctively disliked even as a kid. The smugness, the patronising way of talking to Canary, the ridiculous beard AND a secret ID...

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Date: 2009-05-20 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottyquick.insanejournal.com
Man, it's like, everything's terrible. Then there's something kinda cool (the ice cream mishap, young!Dinah looking cool), that's wrapped in awful (GRIMNGRITTY OLLIE, OH NOES SHE'S AN IDIOT) with an awful interior (SEKRIT IDENITTIES, LOOK HOW YOUNG SHE IS!)

What's weird is that he writes Fringe, which a friend with excellent taste has told me is quite awesome. Maybe he's like Winick x 128?

Date: 2009-05-20 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackissuperfly.insanejournal.com
So... wait, how old does that make Dinah Drake? She was in the JSA, the JSA broke up under the HUAC, the HUAC lost all its real influence following the downfall of McCarthyism in 1954 or so... Dinah Sr. would have to be around sixty in these scans. Lookin' good.

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Date: 2009-05-20 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluejaybirdie.insanejournal.com
Since I am feeling too much rage to comment on the plot right now, I'll say this:

I really wish they'd let Dinah's hair go back to black. It looks cool. Plus, she is the Black Canary.

Date: 2009-05-20 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jcbaggee.insanejournal.com
God, its been just over a year since they got married, and for the first half of that Ollie wasn't even really around. Can we please just let our characters be happy?

Also, regarding the villain of this arc: Batman Beyond did it first; Batman Beyond did it better.

Date: 2009-05-20 06:50 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-20 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thokstar.insanejournal.com
Could it be... is Kreisberg actually showing some evidence of having read or even heard of Mike Grell's GREEN ARROW?

I thought it was clear that the only GA/BC Kreisberg has read was by Grell, which is why his Dinah comes off as ridiculous incompetent (Grell's BC wasn't particularly strong either.) The proper solution is kidnap Kreisberg for a week and force him to read one hundred issues of Birds of Prey in a row.

(That still won't solve his "insanity gives +10 to planning, +10 to fighting ability" problem with Cupid/Joker, but it might make him write both his leads in character.)

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Date: 2009-05-20 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopussoir.insanejournal.com
Don't both Dinahs have curly black hair?

There was nothing left for me to headdesk over, I had to nitpick.

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Date: 2009-05-20 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killermoth1.insanejournal.com
Wow, this is some hackery right here, I didn't think it was actually possible to write this bad unintentionally. Could it be....that Kreisberg is intentionally doing it?

Date: 2009-05-20 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustedone.insanejournal.com
...

I've seen victims of a Japanese guro fan/serial killer that were less hacked than this.

Kriesberg is probably thinking: "La-dee-dah, it's an editorial mandate, this shit'll get retconned in no time. Rip off that Grell guy, collect my paycheque, and make this actually sound impressive on my resume. I love being a writer!"

Date: 2009-05-20 11:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Man, what is with these empty posts? Don't people know they've gotta include a scan for legality? It's in the user info for christ's sake!
I don't even know why it's getting on my nerves so bad, but this really has me steamed. You've been around enough to know better, bluefall. :(

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Date: 2009-05-21 05:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] innerbrat.insanejournal.com
Their relationship can't be that bad if they're sneaking off to have sex at their therapist's.


...what other reason is there for Dinah to have left her zip undone?


(I always consider Dinah to be middish thirties right now with a much younger body after the Lazerus Pit incident. She's twenty years younger than Ollie, who I',m sure can't be above his fifties, even if he did lose ten physical years under Smith's pen)

Date: 2009-05-21 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] looking2dastars.insanejournal.com
Dear gods, it's actually becoming WORSE...

If only there were some dashing, witty and urbane gentleman (http://looking2dastars.livejournal.com) who was coming up with a plan - perhaps even a list of reasons (http://looking2dastars.livejournal.com/111486.html) why he should... nay, MUST be allowed to save Green Arrow/Black Canary!

(Shameless self promotion? Yes, but it worked for Stan Lee ;) )

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