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Entry tags:char: carlie cooper, char: spider-man/peter parker, creator: dan slott, creator: stefano caselli, title: amazing spider-man








Peter goes after Strange, demanding to know how Carlie could have uncovered his identity after his spell.



The thing he has to do is give MJ the antidote, since she still has her spider-powers.

Also, Kaine is now scarless, and from the looks of it I'm guessing he's going to be the new Scarlet Spider. I liked what they did with Kaine when they brought him back (before 'killing' him off), but I'm not too crazy about prettifying him and making him some sort of superhero. And why tease the possibility of bringing Ben back?

And Julia Carpenter, the new Madame Web (I still don't understand why they had to kill off the old one and make her the new one) apologizes to Peter about the loss that's to come.

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sindra: (default)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] sindra
2011-11-04 02:50 am UTC (link)
I'm not *trying* to be argumentative, but I can't help but be a little put off by being called sexist when I'm making a comment about a character that was never meant to be a sexist slur.....rather than observation. If a character is acting like an uppity bitch, it's not because I'm choosing what some people might think is a sexist comment (within my own sex, even). It's because that character is acting like an uppity bitch and I decided to use that description.

That would be like a dude being called sexist for calling another dude a dick.

I guess I just don't see why I got a warning for it, ya know?

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cleome45: (postcard1)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] cleome45
2011-11-04 03:02 am UTC (link)
"Dick" as an insult can't really be the same as "bitch" as an insult. I'm not saying that it's a particularly mature or well-reasoned thing to call a man, but seriously. Men as a gender rule over women, all other things being equal.

You add "uppity" and it just compounds the insult. "Uppity" is traditionally a slam used against an individual whom the powerful believe "does not know their proper place." IOW, against somebody who thinks their place in the status quo is lousy and rebels against it.

These term come with baggage. It's bad form to try and claim that you can use them as insults without bringing that baggage along with you.

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Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] fifthie
2011-11-04 03:27 am UTC (link)
If a character is acting like an uppity bitch, it's not because I'm choosing what some people might think is a sexist comment (within my own sex, even). It's because that character is acting like an uppity bitch

So the judgments of other people about what your behavior indicates is just ~what they might think~ but your judgment about the behavior of the character Carlie Cooper is some sort of absolute value.

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sindra: (default)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] sindra
2011-11-04 11:40 am UTC (link)
No, you're right. What I say is the same - ~what I might think~. I still don't see how it's sexist. Was it the uppity part? The bitch part?


If I'd called her an uppity dick, would I have gotten the warning anyway?

I'm genuinely trying to figure this out, because I like this community, but treading seems to have gotten tricky now.

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salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] salinea
2011-11-04 01:09 pm UTC (link)
Using the word "bitch" as a pejorative is never welcome in the community. Similarly, any gendered against women insults you can think of aren't okay.

You got a warning because the adjective "uppity" to "bitch" makes it even more sexist. (usually we only give a Mod Note reminding people not to do it when they use "bitch").

You would not have gotten a warning for "uppity dick". Mostly because men do not suffer from widespread discrimination and oppression just because they have a male body (though they may suffer from discrimination for mores specific reasons) and the expression "uppity dick" isn't built for the express purpose of reminding them their place as lower being.

If you're still confused, note that in our profile we link to a lot of documentation and resources about anti-oppression etc. which are what shapes our decisions on those sort of issues. You could learn more by following them.

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schmevil: (j'onn)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] schmevil
2011-11-04 03:44 pm UTC (link)
I still don't see how it's sexist. Was it the uppity part? The bitch part?

If I'd called her an uppity dick, would I have gotten the warning anyway?

For real? Bitch is sexist. And uppity is a seriously charged word, with a racist, sexist AND classist history. It's kind of a trifecta of careful language use fail. That you're a woman doesn't make 'uppity bitch' any less sexist.

I'm genuinely trying to figure out if you're concern trolling at this point. But hey, here's a post (on of the first to come up in a google search) on gendered insults and sexism, if you're interested in the topic.

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sindra: (default)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] sindra
2011-11-04 09:39 pm UTC (link)
I am not trying to troll. I'm trying to understand.

I'm not a feminist, so wrapping my head around a term that to some people is sexist while to me and people I know is just a regular insult (even used for guys) is kind of confusing. Especially when I'm a girl being told not to use supposedly gendered insults. I thought there were exceptions to the rule.

Again, is one girl calling another girl a bitch sexist? If I call a guy a dick, is that sexist?

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cleome45: (phantom1)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] cleome45
2011-11-05 12:53 am UTC (link)
If you call a man a "bitch," as an insult, you're likening him (or some of his qualities) to women. Ergo: it's still sexist. (The two of you may not give a crap about that, in the overall scheme of things. But it's probably inadvisable in spaces like this.)

I already explained above why calling a man a dick isn't sexist. Are you even reading people's responses at this point? Have you seen the links in the s_d profile, or the link [personal profile] schmevil specifically found for you?

Personally, I hate it when other women throw around the word "bitch" to describe women. I've tried really hard to stop doing it myself. It's called internalized misogyny. It runs down other women for the very qualities that we all share, because we're all women.

I had a boss last month who made my last temp assignment just about the worst employment experience I've ever had in thirty-plus years of wage work. I was more than happy to inform other people that I found her to be an abusive, compulsively-lying, manipulative, lizard-brained, stupid-ass bullying dirtbag. If nothing else, I figure that's at least a tad more original than just throwing misogynist slurs around. :p

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sindra: (default)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] sindra
2011-11-05 03:43 am UTC (link)
Alright, fair enough.

I did read what they posted, btw. I don't agree with it and think it's kinda crap, but I will abide by the ruling. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stir shit. I'm just trying to get a feel of what is going on.

I'm not trying to be sexist. I just always use the term "bitch" as a way of saying "Hey, you're being a absolute asshat. It's just easier to say you're being a bitch.". I've used the term often around my fellow female friends without issue. I never thought of it as being anything misogynistic in the current time we live in. because I thought people had grown past that. (not meant as a jab to anyone here...I'm really just saying that)

So what I should have said is that Carlie is being a self-righteous pissant, right?

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cleome45: (luthor1*)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] cleome45
2011-11-05 04:39 pm UTC (link)
"It's just easier to say you're being a bitch."

There's something ironic about saying this on a thread about Peter Parker, the dude who (when written well) was legendary for wanting to do the right thing, no matter how far from "easy" it was for him. But, yeah. In short: You know now that most woman posters on s_d have different standards about acceptable speech than your real-life friends, and in this context, your second version of your issues with a fictional female character are going to go over better than your first version did.

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schmevil: (j'onn)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] schmevil
2011-11-05 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Your comments here are great.

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cleome45: (michael1)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] cleome45
2011-11-05 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. I was especially proud of "lizard-brained." :p

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schmevil: (j'onn)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] schmevil
2011-11-05 08:34 pm UTC (link)
You know, profanity really is limiting. So few people ever get creative with it.

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cleome45: (luthor1*)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] cleome45
2011-11-05 08:42 pm UTC (link)
I encourage everyone out there to find work in a field rife with unsafe conditions, tons of filth, low pay, brutal hours, a hellish commute, contradictory instructions, employers so paranoid about petty theft that they make the security people at Fort Knox look laid-back, and numerous cockroaches* (both living and dead).

If that doesn't bring out your creative side vis-a-vis profanity, nothing will. ;)

*And I don't mean my co-workers. They were mostly okay.

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schmevil: (j'onn)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] schmevil
2011-11-05 08:45 pm UTC (link)
My part time job has inspired many a wilde-eyed, creative rant.

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cleome45: (phantom1)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] cleome45
2011-11-05 08:47 pm UTC (link)
[nod]

Employment, like fandom, goes a long way towards teaching us that It's Never Just You™.

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schmevil: (j'onn)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] schmevil
2011-11-05 08:49 pm UTC (link)
It's the people. What do we need them for, again?

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cleome45: (postcard1)

Re: "No Tellin' What They Just Might Do..."


[personal profile] cleome45
2011-11-05 08:56 pm UTC (link)
So they can be the subject of songs like this.

;)

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schmevil: (j'onn)

Re: "No Tellin' What They Just Might Do..."


[personal profile] schmevil
2011-11-05 09:02 pm UTC (link)
Ha ha ha. I have to remind myself of this on a daily basis.

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Re: "No Tellin' What They Just Might Do..."


[personal profile] stubbleupdate
2011-11-06 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Not song like this?

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Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] saralakali
2011-11-06 05:08 pm UTC (link)
If you call a man a "bitch," as an insult, you're likening him (or some of his qualities) to women. Ergo: it's still sexist.

Sort of like calling Peter Parker a douche, right?

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cleome45: (postcard1)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] cleome45
2011-11-06 07:13 pm UTC (link)
Is it? I've wondered about that myself. What I've usually heard from people is that in the literal sense: a douche is an unnecessary object that performs an unneeded function. That's supposed to be the source of the insult: You're useless. You're uncalled for. You're unwanted.

But if that one's fallen out of favor because people think it has woman-exclusive overtones (guys were never told by advertising to pour dangerous chemicals in/on their genitalia to stay "fresh"), I'd be happy to find something else. Because it is pretty overused, if nothing else.

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cleome45: (postcard1)

Re: Just whatever you do...


[personal profile] cleome45
2011-11-07 06:14 am UTC (link)
...don't google the phrase "Zonite ad."

[sigh]

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schmevil: (j'onn)

Re: Mod Warning


[personal profile] schmevil
2011-11-05 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Bitch is always sexist, whether it's directed to a woman or man, or used by a woman or man. There's a sense in which it can be reclaimed "HBIC" or "fierce bitch" but even those usages aren't uncontested. So like, I'm not personally bothered by girls calling each other bitch in a friendly way, but I am bothered by girls calling each other bitches as a way to insult each other.

If you call a guy a dick, it's not sexist. It's a gendered insult but it's not about denigrating a guy for being a guy (ew!). It simply doesn't have the same weight or history behind it.

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