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what ever, i don't care, i STILL think that MJ could and SHOULD be the next Scarlet Spider! in my head, she is... and i will DRAW IT!..... maybe... i don't know.... SOME ONE WILL DRAW IT I INVOKE RULE 32!!!
I would Also LIke to reward you guys who helped me with my paper with this video my professor showed us at the begining of class as we discussed Joss Whedon, Feminism and Astonishing X-Men: Gifted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaczoJM
http://fanboywatchtower.tumblr.com/p
i may be a little bit in love with this man...
*Note: POsted my blog link which has he video because for some reason i can't get the link to embed here...
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Date: 2011-11-04 03:45 pm (UTC)okay yeah. i know, but for me... its strange... the whole soul thing in the buffy/angel-verse. did angel recieve A soul or HIS soul back? what is a soul. how is it different from memories? are souls and memories intwined? if a part of Fred's memories survives then doesn't a part of her soul survive?
Illyria said that she is not now, nor will she ever be fred... and yeah i get that. but she isn't iilyria either. she's a new being calling herself Illyria.
as much as i loved fred (and really i didn!) i LOVED Illyria because one it gave Amy Acker a completely differnt person to play (and i love amy acker) and 2) it didn't do away with fred completely (despite the soul burning up thing which again, i question)
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Date: 2011-11-04 03:55 pm (UTC)A lot of the mythology of the Buffyverse is inconsistent, to be honest. But they seemed pretty definite about Fred's soul being destroyed. I don't quite know what you mean by her not being Illyria, though?
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Date: 2011-11-04 04:15 pm (UTC)okay back on topic, yeah i know, there are some inconsistencies. with how the buffy universe works. but as far as illyria, she is being shown to be progressivly more under the influence of fred's memories, at this point, she is as much fred as she is illyria. fred's memories are no longer just echos in the back of her head. as an old god she could care less about humanity. or anything like that, but Fred's memories and personality, and desires influce her to the degree that she is making judgements based on that. even going so far as to tell angel that despite the fact that she is not now nor will she ever be fred, she IS a formerly evil person who is trying to redeem themselves, just like him.
side bar about THIS icon, is that the issue where she takes in a portion of Sentry's Void persona?
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Date: 2011-11-04 04:23 pm (UTC)Are you talking about the comics now? Because I haven't read them. There was certainly no indication of that in the show.
despite the fact that she is not now nor will she ever be fred, she IS a formerly evil person who is trying to redeem themselves, just like him.
Illyria... trying for redemption? Ugh, DNW. I liked her truly alien.
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Date: 2011-11-04 04:55 pm (UTC)loved where she took the Void into her head.
well kinda... it was illuded to in the series, you could tell that her actions were being subtely influenced by Fred's memories, it does become more apparent in the comic series.
normally i would agree with you, but i think she was TOO alien. i loved how Ackerman was able to give even this alien character depth, its harder to do that in comic for and calls for something less subtle.
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Date: 2011-11-04 05:05 pm (UTC)I don't know, i didn't find it so, and I really enjoy looks at truly alien mindsets. For those mindsets to be humanised and adopt human ways of thinking seems kind of... self-important. But I suppose humans were always narratively privileged in the Buffyverse.
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Date: 2011-11-04 05:13 pm (UTC)yeah ithink it was the dodsons.
eh. i just think its harder to convey the subtlties on paper which is why its changed for comics. also, if something is TOO alien, then its too unrelatable. IMO.
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Date: 2011-11-04 05:26 pm (UTC)I don't really agree with you - one of my enduring favourite books is The Mote in God's Eye, where the plot hinges on the mutual incomprehension of humans and the first aliens they encounter. Blindsight is another amazing book exploring aliens so very alien they don't even have individual consciousness. And the Chanur series has aliens so inhuman that humans can only interact with them through a third alien race. I really like trying to comprehend truly alien mindsets, and seeing them well-done is one of the joys of SF and fantasy to me.
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Date: 2011-11-04 05:39 pm (UTC)I find that VERY intruiging to try and comprehend. and it might work for a graphic novel, or like i said, a tv series, and even a book. but not for serialized comic books.
comics books is a strange in between medium. it is neigher purely art, or purely writing. It's a mixture of the two. Books have fare more literary detail than comic books do. they can use less words because they have the art to suppliment that. but the art can only do so much (unless you get an INCREDIBLE artist, then sometimes you don't even need words)
that's why i see the concept of "Truly Alien" dipictions not working well for comics (Specifically comics) NOW if you had Cassady doing the art for angel, then YEAH it could work, he did AMAZING work in Astonishing X-Men.
but for a normal comic book artits the subtlties (sp) that are required to convey that kind of information (making them truly alien yet in thier alieness relateable or intruiging) is... difficult at best and might lose the audience because of it.
again this is for a normal serialized comic book. the exception for me is a graphic novel, maxi-series, novel and television/film. it could DEFINATELY work there.
(oh now you are just showing off your icons :D
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Date: 2011-11-04 05:47 pm (UTC)Well, I think it's possible... didn't it get touched on in Supergods, the idea of alien minds? It's not all art, either, it's dialogue and plot set-up too. Yes, it's challenging to do, but I don't think it's impossible with small-world books. (It's much harder with vast shared-universes, yeah - someone always defaults to human in a rubber mask.)
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Date: 2011-11-04 06:01 pm (UTC)what were we... oh yeah....
oh i don't think its impossible, i do think that it is very hard. yes like you said challenging. and no its not all art, like i said above. it's the right combination of art, and dialogue and (i know i left it out, thanks for bringing it up) plot set up. but there HAS to be a balance. Art+dialogue+intruiging plot=good story. if ANY of those things are off, it would not work.
John Cassady doing the art for Angel, and maybe doing an Illyria story THAT might work (actually there WAS an Illyria mini that had INCREDIBLE art, and story that knda dealt with that).
small world books would work. those are usually maxi, or limited series' that have one over reaching story so all of it can be devoted to that.