scans_daily: Some what Self Promotion

shadowpsykie (

scans_daily,
@ 2011-11-04 09:13 pm UTC

Entry tags:

char: shadowcat/kitty pryde, char: white queen/emma frost, creator: john cassaday, creator: joss whedon, in-joke: shameless self-promotion, title: astonishing x-men

Some what Self Promotion

1 Image From Astonishing X-Men #2 (Whedon and Cassady's run)

Posting a link to my blog discussing Joss Whedon, Feminism and Astonishing X-Men

salinea was interested in reading about it and I thought maybe a few of you might be interested as well.

i tried to do the class justice, i hope i succeeded at least in part.

the discussions were really lively, and the only thing about it that i was disappointed about was that it was too damned short :D

http://fanboywatchtower.tumblr.com/post/12355032744/joss-whedon-feminism-and-the-astonishing-x-men

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	no subject lieut_kettch 2011-11-05 04:47 am UTC (link)
	And thus were opened the floodgates for a ton of angrysex lemon fanfics. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 41 comments) (Show 41 comments)

	no subject shanejayell 2011-11-05 05:31 am UTC (link)
	Hell, I've WRITTEN kinky Emma/Kitty stuff. Tho admittedly based on a different bit. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-05 02:27 pm UTC (link)
	cough where? :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-05 02:30 pm UTC (link)
	I'm more into Scott/Logan stuff :D (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-05 02:33 pm UTC (link)
	I don't quite see how liking one prevents from liking the other. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-05 02:51 pm UTC (link)
	Girl/girl stuff tends to make me go eek! some boy/girl stuff to. Though honestly it does depend on how it is written I suppose (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-05 02:53 pm UTC (link)
	That's unfortunate. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-05 02:59 pm UTC (link)
	Well there are qualifications, I have to say the kitty emma stuff sounds interesting (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject shanejayell 2011-11-05 04:38 pm UTC (link)
	FF.net. It's based on a bit in the New Mutants where Emma had kidnapped Kitty.... http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2094685/1/Astonishing_XMen_Past_Sins (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-05 08:57 pm UTC (link)
	thank you :) that was disturbingly hot! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject shanejayell 2011-11-05 09:01 pm UTC (link)
	You're welcome. :D (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject lieut_kettch 2011-11-06 08:08 am UTC (link)
	I've read some hot Emma/Angelica fic which references the time when Emma killed Angelica's horse back when she was a Hellion. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject schmevil 2011-11-05 08:51 pm UTC (link)
	Do people still say 'lemon'? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 29 comments) (Show 29 comments)

	no subject shanejayell 2011-11-05 09:03 pm UTC (link)
	Apparently so. lol I still run into authors mentioning their stories are lemon or similar comments. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 22 comments) (Show 22 comments)

	no subject schmevil 2011-11-05 09:04 pm UTC (link)
	Lol, is 'lime' still a thing too? And oh, does anime fandom still do the pairing order=top/bottom thing? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 21 comments) (Show 21 comments)

	no subject shanejayell 2011-11-05 09:07 pm UTC (link)
	Yup, lime or 'citrus' is how one author put it. lol I'm more into yuri fandom, and they don't seem to do that as much. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject schmevil 2011-11-05 09:15 pm UTC (link)
	That's awesome. It's been a long, long time since I've been involved in anime fandom. Nice to see the bizarre terminology has survived. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-05 09:15 pm UTC (link)
	And oh, does anime fandom still do the pairing order=top/bottom thing? for the most part. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 18 comments) (Show 18 comments)

	no subject schmevil 2011-11-05 09:21 pm UTC (link)
	Is seme/uki still a big thing too? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 17 comments) (Show 17 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-05 09:24 pm UTC (link)
	It goes with one another doesn't it. >_ (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 16 comments) (Show 16 comments)

	no subject schmevil 2011-11-05 09:25 pm UTC (link)
	Heh. Yes, but I was wondering if the seme/uki dynamic was still such a dominant interpretation of relationships more generally. In slash media fandom, the top/bottom relationship has been pretty thoroughly challenged, for example. Not top/bottom isn't still a thing. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 12 comments) (Show 12 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-05 09:39 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not entirely certain, maybe not for every anime/manga fandom, but it's still a very large influence. And it's still very much in effect in everything published yaoi/BL. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 11 comments) (Show 11 comments)

	no subject schmevil 2011-11-05 10:01 pm UTC (link)
	To each their own, I guess. I always liked yuri better anyway. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-05 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	there's been some excellent yuri anime lately then :p (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 9 comments) (Show 9 comments)

	no subject schmevil 2011-11-05 11:04 pm UTC (link)
	I haven't been a consistent anime viewer in a long time. Any recs? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-05 11:16 pm UTC (link)
	Aoi Hana and Sasameki Koto were both very good. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-05 11:24 pm UTC (link)
	How about some good yaoi? :D (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

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salinea
2011-11-05 11:40 pm UTC (link)

.... harder to find in anime.

I liked the way the recent n°6 handled the main characters' relationship, though you'll have to take into consideration the fact that the plot, and especially its ending, was very lacking.

Most other anime series are, err, kinda rapey. Or they're slash baits without being canon m/m.

Err, i guess there's always X.

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	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-07 10:45 pm UTC (link)
	X is yaoi? i know it had gay themes but i always thought it had more... um Evangelion like story than Yaoi story. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

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salinea
2011-11-07 11:01 pm UTC (link)

X isn't yaoi as such. At least in so far as yaoi usually describes a work that is romance / porn. But err, yeah, I guess describing it as having gay theme is more correct.

Even more so of Tokyo Babylon, its prequel, (though that's manga, not anime - I'd reccomend reading the Tokyo Babylon manga, then checking out the X anime series actually).

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	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-08 12:00 am UTC (link)
	hmm might be interersting... its in my netflix que... i just want a good animated gay movie with just enough sex to be border line porn let still have good story elements... what? what are you lookingat. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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salinea
2011-11-08 12:15 am UTC (link)

i just want a good animated gay movie with just enough sex to be border line porn let still have good story elements...
well good luck with that. Most animated gay movies are mostly porn with story elements that aren't all that good. Junjou Romantica is decent if you ignore the Rape is Love in the first scene, Sukiskyo is also decent enough if a bit weird; and of the porn-y OAV I've seen I think Winter Cicada was the one with the most decent plot. Oh, and Close the Last Door though it's barely the beginning of the story that only got to be animated.

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	no subject schmevil 2011-11-06 12:11 am UTC (link)
	Thanks, I'll check these out! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-05 09:27 pm UTC (link)
	Do... Do I want to know? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

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salinea
2011-11-05 09:37 pm UTC (link)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi#Seme_and_uke

It's yaoi manga/dojinshi thing. Every male gay couple is seen through the lens of one being a top, the other being a bottom. Everyone. Always. There are only very few exceptions (in published manga), and as far as manga & anime fandoms, it sheds a large influence in how people write them.

I love D/s dynamics in my couples, but that shit gets tiresome fast.

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	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-05 09:43 pm UTC (link)
	Hm true. It's fun for a while, but I likes me some variety:D (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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lieut_kettch
2011-11-06 04:38 am UTC (link)

That's enough out of you, young whippersnapper! You and and your fancy schmancy fanfic blogs and livejournals on your high speed conmections! In my day, we got our slashfic through text-based FTP, UseNet and IRC channels over 12.2 kbps dial up modems and we liked it!

I'd give you a right thrashing if my arthritis wasn't acting up so bad. Now git off my lawn!

Rassumfrassum young people these days...

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	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-06 04:47 am UTC (link)
	O_O (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject lieut_kettch 2011-11-06 08:06 am UTC (link)
	Too far down the thread for context, methinks. This was a reply to "Do people still say 'lemon' these days?" (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject rdfox 2011-11-06 10:28 pm UTC (link)
	12.2? Bah, you BABY, I grew up with downloading files via Xmodem on a 1200 baud (1.2kbps, and that's not a typo) modem from a bulletin board, back when the internet was still called ARPAnet! ...god I'm old. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject lieut_kettch 2011-11-07 08:33 am UTC (link)
	I wonder if there's anyone out there from the time carbon paper, mimeographs and photocopiers were the only way fanfic was distributed. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject abbadie 2011-11-07 05:47 pm UTC (link)
	I hate you. ¬_¬ (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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