scans_daily: Hope says what I've always felt about mutant relations

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@ 2011-11-09 04:48 am UTC

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char: hope summers, char: magneto/erik magnus lehnsherr, char: professor x/charles xavier, creator: dave sharpe, creator: frank martin, creator: kieron gillen, creator: salva espin, creator: scott koblish, publisher: marvel comics, title: generation hope

Hope says what I've always felt about mutant relations

And I think she's absolutely right. Calling it the school for Gifted Youngster may have helped many young mutants who felt unsure of themselves or bad for being a mutant, but ultimately they're all just people, before anything else, and when dealing with co-existence that's what you've got to remember.

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salinea
2011-11-09 11:25 am UTC (link)

Still, there has been a fair amount of elitism in mutant circles- "Homo Superior" and all that
I can't say I ever take that side of things seriously. Not with the point to which mutants are presented as a minority.

Again, I think it's blind to how institutionalized things are.

he X-men could've benefited from some more baseline faculty
I attribute more this side of thing to "comics!"

or maybe non-mutant supers on the team, for a long time
Errr, hasn't there always been a lot of non mutants in the team, both staff and supers?

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icon_uk
2011-11-09 11:51 am UTC (link)

In terms of students... not many I think. Mimic was never really a team member (and his mutant status has wandered backwards and forwards IIRC), Warlock (Alien, but also a mutant according to plot requirements), Longshot, Betsy (sort of, since her father was human-ish, but from another dimension, though as she's in a completely different (human mutant) body now, I suppose she counts a mutant).

Oh, and Brian (by the same logic as Betsy), Meggan (Origins vague to say the least) and Cerise in Excalibur, but they weren't X-Men per se.

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	no subject salinea 2011-11-09 12:28 pm UTC (link)
	You forgot Shatterstar. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 12 comments) (Show 12 comments)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-11-09 12:33 pm UTC (link)
	He debuted in a Liefeld comic... I regret nothing.... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-09 12:34 pm UTC (link)
	So did Deadpool! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

	no subject q99 2011-11-09 12:37 pm UTC (link)
	Oh yea, Deadpool's a non-mutant! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-09 01:00 pm UTC (link)
	Yeaaah, but he's not really a X-Man. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject q99 2011-11-09 01:06 pm UTC (link)
	He was briefly a prohibitionary member ^^ (As well as a full member of X-Force) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-11-09 12:38 pm UTC (link)
	Not the best argument you could use on me I'm afraid, as I've never actually liked Deadpool. (Heretic though that may mark me as) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-09 12:59 pm UTC (link)
	I don't like you no more o_o (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

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icon_uk
2011-11-09 03:07 pm UTC (link)

I think he falls into the uncomfortable gap between "Guy with mental problems" and "guy who is supposed to be comedic". Leaving his homicidal nature aside (Something I rarely find amusing or entertaining in and of itself) we are, at some level, being asked to laugh at the guy with the mental problem because he has a mental problem.

Taking it too seriously perhaps, but there you go (For a similar reason, but a rather different take on it, I rarely found the TV series "Monk" to be that amusing as we were often being asked to find a guy under the grip of severe OCD to be funny, mostly because of his OCD making his life hell for himself and those around him)

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salinea
2011-11-09 04:53 pm UTC (link)

Oooh. I don't really see it that way - at least not when he's well characterised, I could see how some recent bad depictions would fall into that ballpark - but that makes a lot of sense. Can't say I have much respect for any comedy based upon "laughing at the guy" even without the horribleness of "with the mental problem because he has a mental problem" behind.

Never watched Monk.

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	no subject q99 2011-11-09 12:37 pm UTC (link)
	Alien mutant. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject salinea 2011-11-09 01:00 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not sure that's the best description. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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q99
2011-11-09 01:13 pm UTC (link)

Well, the real-description gets downright weird ^^ he's from a different planet (mojoverse) 100 years in the future, where he was born genetically engineered (enhanced physical stats), and developed a mutant power on top of that, then at one point he merged with mutant-human Benjamin Russel.

Or, alternatively, he might be the child of Longshot and Dazzler.

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q99
2011-11-09 11:53 am UTC (link)

Almost all of the non-mutants are aliens so that doesn't help too much on the human non-mutant relation front.

There's the odd ally that, while fighting aside them for awhile, isn't technically a team member (Ms. Marvel being the biggest example). The X-men have several non-mutant hero allies, but in terms of humans on the team without the X-gene, I can think of Mimic (mutate with the power to mimic powers), Karima (Prime Sentinel/cyborg), Juggernaut, and Amanda Sefton (sorcerer). Oh, and Madelyn Pryor wasn't for awhile, but then became one.

Pretty short list all in all, and some of those didn't last long.

I can't think of any non-mutants who taught a class at the school full time, though Moira might've. A couple more staffers, mainly Moira's people... but staff is pretty rare too.

Recent stuff does feel like less of a "mutants only" club than it used to be, with people like Dr. Rao and their public relations manager (and Namor still doesn't feel like a mutant, even though he technically is one ^^), and de-powered mutants who hang around (Dani, Prodigy, Jubilee).

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salinea
2011-11-09 12:33 pm UTC (link)

Almost all of the non-mutants are aliens so that doesn't help too much on the human non-mutant relation front.
icon listed the humans in the staff I was thinking of :)

But yeah, people in the X-Men who weren't mutants often were aliens or weird stuff XD

I can't think of any non-mutants who taught a class at the school full time,
I think the issue here is there just wasn't much focus on class as a regular school would for the longest time. I don't believe it was even all that handled as a school as such until Morisson's run. Mostly because they'd rather focus on superhero action and soap opera melodrama though :p

I find the idea of "mutant only club" very troublesome. Why should there be more onus on integration on the part of the mutant school than there is on human society as a whole?

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q99
2011-11-09 01:01 pm UTC (link)

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I find the idea of "mutant only club" very troublesome. Why should there be more onus on integration on the part of the mutant school than there is on human society as a whole?-

There isn't in itself, but the ideal is no-one caring if someone's a mutant, and from a PR front it'd help their goals of breaking down barriers.

There is definitely something to be said for an all-mutant team at the forefront, but considering they juggle multiple teams, they have the opportunity to do multiple approaches. Scott's recent approach of having a team focus on teamups is a pretty savvy idea in my book.

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