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This isn't just about Carlie Cooper, you know. I've agreed -- repeatedly-- that the character has her problems. But frankly the term "Mary Sue" is so hopelessly overused and so inherently sexist that I no longer trust anyone who insists that such-and-such female they dislike is a Sue, unless I've had the option of studying the treatment in depth myself.

There's too much baggage attached to its usage, too small a pool of female characters to draw from for overall analysis, and too little approval from the culture at large for ANY female character to be a "bigger than life" heroic archetype. The term can't be applied in an unbiased fashion because there's too much bias --in favor of male characters getting to be heroic "just because"-- already baked into the culture.

...And I've seen the Mary Sue term tossed at male characters a number of times...

If you honestly think --after reading the points Zoe made-- that your "number" (a Jameson here, a Wesley there) makes everything just even-steven on both sides of the culture, then we really don't have anything more to talk about.

Seriously. This is depressing as fuck and I need to be over there now. Excuse me. :(