scans_daily: X-Men Schism - A third (or fourth) party POV

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@ 2011-11-12 07:12 am UTC

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char: cypher/doug ramsey, char: mirage/danielle moonstar, char: warlock, creator: andy lanning, creator: dan abnett, creator: david lopez, title: new mutants

X-Men Schism - A third (or fourth) party POV

We've heard Cyclops and Logan's reasoning for their views in Schism, and also Hope's rather (IMHO) dismissive references to Xavier's approach.

But there is another group in the X-verse, with minds of their own.

Dani calls a meeting to get the opinions of the team. Sam and Xian have already made their choice to leave for Westchester and Dani is fine with their choices since it's what they feel they need to do).

Even I think Doug is looking a little... Peter Cushing-y in that panel. Nice that it's Warlock who suggests that things might not be entirely black and white, even if Dani was already thinking along the same lines...

Dani does decide to talk to Gus, the therapist she engaged for Utopia a couple of issues ago. He asks her outright who she is choosing to side with.

Now THIS is reasoning I can get behind, and the New Mutants are probably the best team for it.

I was thinking about it and I think the membership has been in more teams than any other X-group; Dani has worked with SHIELD and the Mutant Liberation Front (undercover), Warlock was in Excalibur (during his Douglock phase), Sunspot was in X-Force, Magma has been in two incarnations of the Hellions (one under a different psyche) and so on (Shame Sam's not stll with them, he was an actual X-Man)

And the end result? The team decides to move away from Utopia, but not to Westchester (shame, I still want to see Doug reunite with his parents) and choose set up shop in a three storey house at 1128 Mission Street in San Fransico's. (An address which exists, but which is actually the local Government building, for those who follow such things)

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q99
2011-11-12 08:11 pm UTC (link)

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Is he? If you say so.
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He did spend quite a lot of time trying to change the time period's destiny to the point of running his own nation, knowing when many of the key history-points are, and so on... and was responsible for all of Hope's education. Getting it from the literal mutant president of a country is not an insignificant source of information.

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She's not much better than that, I think.-

Point is, you seem to be focusing largely on who's saying it.

And there's the expression, "Out of the mouths of babes." One can say smart things without massive experience.

-If she was interested in hearing the professor's opinion, she would have let him answer, instead of running off once her lecturing was done.-

She also invites him to talk later with Idie. And it's not like he didn't have a chance to respond before she said she should go, or that he couldn't stop her, or come with her...

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salinea
2011-11-12 08:18 pm UTC (link)

He did spend quite a lot of time trying to change the time period's destiny to the point of running his own nation, knowing when many of the key history-points are, and so on... and was responsible for all of Hope's education.
I'm not sure I see how that entitles him to a good pov of what's being a mutant in the 20th/21th century is like. I mean, I don't know that much about Cable's History, but didn't he spend most of his life in the future?

Point is, you seem to be focusing largely on who's saying it.
So?

And there's the expression, "Out of the mouths of babes." One can say smart things without massive experience.
There are a lot of expressions; some of them are really fucking stupid.

She also invites him to talk later with Idie.
She does so very dismissively.

And it's not like he didn't have a chance to respond before she said she should go, or that he couldn't stop her, or come with her...
Oh please. She was talking, he didn't interrupt because he is polite. Then she runs off.

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2011-11-12 08:45 pm UTC (link)

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I'm not sure I see how that entitles him to a good pov of what's being a mutant in the 20th/21th century is like. I mean, I don't know that much about Cable's History, but didn't he spend most of his life in the future?-

A fair bit of it, including studying the time period. And, like, a decade or so in the present, including being involved in mutant politics and running a country.

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So?-

So everything seems to be 'dismissive' because of who she is.

She didn't make a venom-spilled triad or get angry or anything, which is what I'd expect from the reaction I'm seeing. I seem to have read the tone of the scene *completely* differently than a couple of posters here.

-There are a lot of expressions; some of them are really fucking stupid.-

But she actually made a good point.

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Oh please. She was talking, he didn't interrupt because he is polite. Then she runs off.-

Then she finishes, he doesn't say anything, she tells him he's going, he doesn't say "Hope, wait one moment," before she goes (and she would stop and listen if he did), or so on.

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salinea
2011-11-12 09:00 pm UTC (link)

And, like, a decade or so in the present
Given Marvel time compression, can it really be a decade?

running a country.
scuze me, do you mean Providence and that fake Eastern European country or something else?

So everything seems to be 'dismissive' because of who she is.
It's the combination of who she is and how she makes it.

She didn't make a venom-spilled triad or get angry or anything, which is what I'd expect from the reaction I'm seeing. I seem to have read the tone of the scene *completely* differently than a couple of posters here.
she doesn't seem angry or hateful; but she certainly seems hasty and disrespectful.

I think we're more than a couple of posters actually. And yes, you do seem to read it completely different.

Then she finishes, he doesn't say anything, she tells him he's going
She finishes and immediatly goes "I better go!"

he doesn't say "Hope, wait one moment," before she goes (and she would stop and listen if he did), or so on.
How would you know if she'd have stayed? She clearly seemed uninterested in whatever he could have to say.

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icon_uk
2011-11-12 09:04 pm UTC (link)

Had she given one iota of an inkling that she cared to listen to his POV?

She waltzes up to one of the most significant people in mutant civil rights history and pretty much tells him he's passé, and about how wonderful it would be if things were completely different from what they are and then vanishes off to her all but isolationist own team.

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