aeka: (Huntress/Power Girl [otp]:)Diane Darcy ([personal profile] aeka) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily,
@ 2011-11-13 06:09 pm UTC
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Entry tags:char: huntress/helena bertinelli, char: power girl/kara zor-l/karen starr, title: superman/batman
Just before the relaunch, DC did one final (though very short) Bertinelli!Huntress/Power Girl team-up for old times sake!

Considering this story is only 8 pages long and appears at the end of Superman/Batman #78, believe me when I say it was VERY difficult picking out only 1/3 of the pages to post. XP

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(Good thing it never occurred to Peege to tell Helena B about Helena Wayne then. I think that'd make Helena B feel a lot worse).

Anyway, Helena B continues to insist that she doesn't need Power Girl's help with earthquakes that hit Gotham. Peege, however, doesn't give up easily and goes on to inform her that Starrware detected a foreign entity crash-landing on Earth, which may have caused the earthquake.

Before they have a chance to investigate, the alien emerges and telepathically projects his own pain onto both Huntress and Power Girl, causing them to forcibly recall each of their own emotional baggage: Helena B is taken back to her memory of helplessly seeing her family murdered in front of her as a child, and Kara is recalls the events of Crisis on Infinite Earths eliminating Earth-2, and especially her losing Kal-L during Infinite Crisis, and being forced to destroy his Black Lanterned Corpse during Blackest Night.

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Shortly after this episode, the alien is revealed to be a child who's scared and lost. Helena B does what she does best and goes after the alien intending to capture it, and makes it known to Power Girl that she will use lethal force if he proves himself too dangerous (it is strongly emphasised that Helena learnt long ago "how to make tough decisions"). At this point, Kara is forced to realise how drastically different this Helena is from her Helena, and that contrary to her previous relationship with the latter, there is NO such thing as reasoning with Helena B once she has her mind set. So Peege is forced into a position of complete role-reversal, where *she* has to be the "voice of reason," whereas should this have been a different Helena, it would have been the other way around.

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Kara being an alien herself (in more than one way in this case) understands and explains to Helena B that the kid alien is stranded, to which Helena B very rudely responds with "just like you?"

And then, THIS heart-breaking moment:

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Moral of the story: This is why a friendship between Helena Bertinelli and Kara Zor-L could never work out. They only have angst in common, and Helena B masks hers with unrelenting anger, whereas Kara shows hers. It's a missed opportunity at best. :(

On second thought...that might change in DCnU if Helena B(?) is tied to Mister Terrific. If Dan DiDio stating that Crisis on Infinite Earths never happened, and the original Earth-2 is still around, then Helena Wayne is still alive and there is nothing for Power Girl to angst about. On that same note...Helena Bertinelli isn't the same angsty happy-to-kill-ya angry mafia princess she was before in DCnU either. Does this mean her Post-Crisis mafia upbringing is still in tact in DCnU and she simply learnt to make the best of a shitty situation? (Or is she really a stranded Helena Wayne masquerading around under an assumed alias?...As long as they don't go with "she had amnesia..." XP)



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venatosapiens: griffin vulture (raptor)


[personal profile] venatosapiens
2011-11-14 01:00 am UTC (link)
I'm a huge fan of Brett Booth's dinosaur art. He can draw a mean theropod and has an excellent style for pulpy jungle fantasy comics.

Cape comics, though? Nope. It looks terrible. Just ugly, ugly work.

I think the story here is indulgent and melodramatic, since the tension works best, I think, when it's kept on a light boil under the lid. This just seems like an easy route to angst, and it produces nothing I find particularly interesting.

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aeka: (Huntress/Power Girl [otp]:)


[personal profile] aeka
2011-11-14 01:09 am UTC (link)
If it wasn't a short story and was more fleshed out, I'm sure it could've been an interesting story to read about. But Amanda McMurray only had eight pages to work with, so she had to do a lot of condensing which minimised the full impact of the story.

I do agree about the art though. I especially found the anatomical errors distracting, but eh, it was a Huntress/Power Girl story. I let it *slide* for the most part. XP

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[personal profile] halloweenjack
2011-11-14 05:45 pm UTC (link)
yo dawg i herd u liek capes n smoke so i drew soem smoke on your smoke so u can have capes with ur capes

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shadowpsykie: Information (Oracle)


[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2011-11-14 01:10 am UTC (link)
i don't agree, Helena's anger is not unrelenting, she has learned to not let her anger be her defining characteristic. also didn't they work together really well before infinite crisis?

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aeka: (Huntress/Power Girl [otp]:)


[personal profile] aeka
2011-11-14 01:16 am UTC (link)
Not really since Helena B was just as insensitive to Peege in that JSA Classified story as she is here. At best she was willing to team up with Kara that one time, but that was about it. The rest of the time she was confused about why she would turn to her of all people when they haven't really interacted much.

It could be just my interpretation, but I was always under the impression Helena B never really stopped being anger-driven; she was just willing to tone herself down while with Birds of Prey because she actually valued their friendship.

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shadowpsykie: Information (Oracle)


[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2011-11-14 01:37 am UTC (link)
no Helena B's personality has changed significantly. in many of her appearances her personality has been greatly toned down. however, you push her buttons, and she will punch yours.

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aeka: (Catwoman [happy kitty]:)


[personal profile] aeka
2011-11-14 01:59 am UTC (link)
Not really since Helena B was still prone to excessive violence and was still shown to be willing to kill her opponents even when she was with Birds (recall the time she pummelled Yasmeen and threatened to toss her over a building when she threatened her students, to which she told Black Canary "I never said I was completely housebroken"). Also her willingness to fight Lady Shiva in place of Black Canary during Gail Simone's second BoP run showed that she was still a character with a significant amount of self-loathing, and Dinah had to remind her that she was loved and a valued member of the team.

What happened was being with the BoP provided her with a "family" of sorts and a sense of belonging that she chose not to jeopardise these newer relationships by going completely out of control. The fact that she actually valued these relationships also allowed her to show a side of her personality she had hidden away for so long. But beyond that, anger has always been a defining aspect of her character, and her main driving force when she takes on the Huntress mantel.

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shadowpsykie: Information (Oracle)


[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2011-11-14 01:14 am UTC (link)
another thing... i really don't like it when they play Peeg as the perpetual victim. Yes, i understand, her loss will always be a part of her. but her best stories are when she moves past that. it's like Bruce and his perpetual "MY PARENTS ARE DEAD!"

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aeka: (Huntress/Power Girl [otp]:)


[personal profile] aeka
2011-11-14 01:23 am UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure her own solo series made it a point at emphasising that she never really got over the loss and simply chose not to dwell on it. Her pain of loss was always be there, she just chose to mask it. Also, unlike Bruce's "MY PARENTS ARE DEAAAAAD," Power Girl's loss is considerably more catastrophic on an epic scale. I don't think that's something you can just toss in the back burner of your mind. :P

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shadowpsykie: Information (Oracle)


[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2011-11-14 01:34 am UTC (link)
Superman seems to have handled it pretty well. and that brings up another point that always made me feel uncomfortable by it's implications. Powergirl, who can be seen as a female superman, has experienced the same loss, and he adjusts fine, where as the "woman" is still emotionally shaken by it.

that said, i agree, the powergirl series did an EXCELLENT job of distancing Powergirl the character from the "tragic hero"

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aeka: (Huntress [pensive]:)


[personal profile] aeka
2011-11-14 02:11 am UTC (link)
To be fair, Kal-El was rocket-launched to Earth when he was still a baby and wasn't old enough to even remember his mum and dad, let alone yet the destruction of Krypton to be fully affected by the loss. In his case, he considers Clark Kent his real identity and he considers his adoptive parents on Earth to be his real mum and dad (though considering the relaunch, this may change).

Kara Zor-L by contrast "grew up" in a virtual reality and acquired artificial Kryptonian memories prior to her arrival on Earth where she had to learn to adjust, and she was actually around for the destruction of the Earth-2 Universe during COIE, and was there for Helena Wayne's funeral when she died. So it's kind of a bad comparison to compare Clark's ability to adjust to Power Girl's since they both experienced their losses quite differently.

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bariman: by perletwo (Super Bat Kon)


[personal profile] bariman
2011-11-14 01:28 am UTC (link)
Specifically regarding the ending to the story, why don't they just call up a Green Lantern? An Oan database search for "blue scaley telepath" should be rather quick, and he/she/it can get the alien kid home as well.

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aeka: (Catwoman [pose]:)


[personal profile] aeka
2011-11-14 01:31 am UTC (link)
Because it's (a) a short story, and (b) the relaunch happened before we had a chance to find out? :P

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[personal profile] rainspirit
2011-11-14 02:40 am UTC (link)
I don't think anything Didio says or promises about comic book continuity can be taken as trustworthy at this point. (And I'm not even the ones who've been burned by him!)

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aeka: (Catwoman [happy kitty]:)


[personal profile] aeka
2011-11-14 02:50 am UTC (link)
Normally I take things DC says with a grain a salt since they're also known to change their minds at the last minute. Though considering JSA has been moved back to Earth-2 and there is no Jay Garrick or Alan Scott on New Earth/Earth-1/Whatever they're calling it these days, COIE not happening makes sense to me.

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[personal profile] jlbarnett
2011-11-14 02:44 am UTC (link)
If the original E-2 is still around then there shouldn't be a Karen Starr in Mr. Terrific.

You didn't see the old DC populating E-1 with versions of Jay Garrick and Alan Scott.

And I think eliminating CoIE is a mistake. Characters like Anti-Monitor were a big part of the GL stories recently and they kept continuity. Barry Allen died. What could be a bigger death than sacrificing himself for the Earths.

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[personal profile] kenn_el
2011-11-14 02:57 am UTC (link)
There were 'almosts' like Wildcat in Brave & Bold, but for the most part Silver Age DCU wanted E-1 to be shiny and new. (I always thought Denny O'Neil miscalculated when he had Black Canary transfer Earths rather than creating an Earth 1 BC.)

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aeka: (Catwoman [happy kitty]:)


[personal profile] aeka
2011-11-14 02:58 am UTC (link)
It is still possible that the Karen Starr in Mr. Terrific is still the Earth-2 Power Girl. Or at least it was hinted with Huntress having a story connections to the book as well as Earth-2 JSA.

And I think eliminating CoIE is a mistake. Characters like Anti-Monitor were a big part of the GL stories recently and they kept continuity.

I guess we'll find out soon enough what the changes and non-changes are.

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[personal profile] lieut_kettch
2011-11-14 09:45 am UTC (link)
Seems a little out of character for Helena B. to want to kill a lost and stranded child. She's always been portrayed has having a soft spot for children.

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endis_ni: (tarot)


[personal profile] endis_ni
2011-11-14 12:41 pm UTC (link)
Exactly my thought, too! Though I'm not sure how many of the current writers remember she's supposed to be a decent schoolteacher.

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[personal profile] runespoor
2011-11-14 01:44 pm UTC (link)
Yup.

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aeka: (Huntress [angry]:)


[personal profile] aeka
2011-11-14 02:14 pm UTC (link)
Maybe I just didn't word it here correctly I guess, but Helena B actually ran after the alien before Kara uttered "a child?" to which Helena responded "maybe, but that telepathic attack came from him". As far as Helena was concerned, he was a dangerous alien on the loose, and after his accidental psychic attack that forced her to remember her family's murder, she was especially not thinking straight at that point. So actually Helena was still in character in that she's impulsive and is the "pummels first, ask questions later" type.

To be fair though, I don't think she went after him intending to kill him; she just left the option open if he turned out too dangerous. It should be noted as well that Helena did calm down once Kara intervened and got control of the situation.

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[personal profile] beoweasel
2011-11-14 04:36 pm UTC (link)
Okay, taken at face value, you have a hot, blonde woman sympathizing with an obviously non-human being, about how 'alone' they feel. Could you get anymore patronizing?

Yes, wealthy, attractive, blond, white woman, you truly are an outcast in our culture and a social pariah.

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kenn_el: Northstar_Hmm (pic#369332)


[personal profile] kenn_el
2011-11-14 07:39 pm UTC (link)
A lot of individuals do not think of themselves in terms of demographics. Essentially, we are all alone.

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eyz: (Heckler)


[personal profile] eyz
2011-11-15 09:09 am UTC (link)
It was an interesting team-up, which I would have loved to see more of.
And the funniest and best duos are the dysfunctional ones afteral :P

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