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No violent anonymous shagging this time...(well maybe a bit of snogging), but there's still a WHOLE lot of violence, and I mean LOTS of it.

Long story short: Bone guy receiving a pummelling in these pages killed Selina's friend Lola in the last issue, and now Selina's out for revenge...Helena Bertinelli style!

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So Selina not only has anonymous violent sex with a man she doesn't even know, but she's also willing to kill now. Lovely. At least now if Helena Bertinelli really does turn out to be Helena Wayne at the end of her mini, there will be an excuse now for her willingness to kill. Fantastic!

Le sigh. Now I'm really hoping Earth-2 Selina is the Selina we saw in the 90s comics: a witty but mostly harmless thief with finesse. This Selina? There's no finesse to her. She's blunt and straight to the point. Not the Selina I know and love, which is an even bigger letdown. >:(

Date: 2011-11-16 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
"So Selina not only has anonymous violent sex with a man she doesn't even know, but she's also willing to kill now."

Remember, she killed Black Mask in the Pre-FP 'verse.

Date: 2011-11-17 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Well, it's definitely true that we had a younger, more impulsive take on Catwoman, but these are similar circumstances to what we're describing with Black Mask--from what we've seen of her past, Lola was Selina's teacher and supporter from early on. She's as important to Selina here as Maggie and Slam were before.

Date: 2011-11-17 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Who's to say that this Selina has other loved ones like Lola?

Date: 2011-11-17 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I'm saying that if Selina was justified in wanting to kill Black Mask because of killing and torturing the people she cares about, then she's justified in wanting to kill Bones for killing someone she cares about.

Date: 2011-11-18 02:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chipsnopotatoes
I didn't interpret this as her being eager to kill, but more like pushed to her limits and so enraged that she loses control. I can't fault her for it, frankly.

You're right, this isn't the Selina we know. It's a much younger, more vulnerable version of the crafty cunning woman we love. She just hasn't grown into her yet. Having said that, I would like Winick to put a little more thought in her revenge sequences -- more variety and finesse. She can't be resorting to violence all the time. That would get old. Also, sometimes, the best revenge can be exacted by letting them live.

Despite the violence, what balanced this issue out for me were the pages with Lola. I really loved it. I love how excited she was showing off her first loot and asking Lola to move it. I love the photos of her and Lola goofing around on vacation. It shows me that despite the sucky childhood she must have had, there were still happy times, and that she's not so damaged a character that she isn't capable of enjoying life to the max.

The scene with Batman, while still kind of dry, actually had a point. I thought that was pretty clever of her throwing Bone off the roof and distracting Bats. And even her going back to Lola's apartment to get rid of the evidence. That shows presence of mind and survival instincts kicking in despite the grief. I admire that.

All in all, I enjoyed the issue. I'm really surprised by it because I was expecting something completely different and was ready to drop the book.

Date: 2011-11-18 02:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chipsnopotatoes
Lol. You're giving Winick a much longer rope than I. This was my make or break issue. Fortunately, for him, I'm in for the next one.

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