scans_daily: Catwoman #3

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aeka) wrote in

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@ 2011-11-16 06:39 pm UTC

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char: batman/bruce wayne, char: catwoman/selina kyle, creator: guillem march, creator: judd winick, title: catwoman

Catwoman #3

No violent anonymous shagging this time...(well maybe a bit of snogging), but there's still a WHOLE lot of violence, and I mean LOTS of it.

Long story short: Bone guy receiving a pummelling in these pages killed Selina's friend Lola in the last issue, and now Selina's out for revenge...Helena Bertinelli style!

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So Selina not only has anonymous violent sex with a man she doesn't even know, but she's also willing to kill now. Lovely. At least now if Helena Bertinelli really does turn out to be Helena Wayne at the end of her mini, there will be an excuse now for her willingness to kill. Fantastic!

Le sigh. Now I'm really hoping Earth-2 Selina is the Selina we saw in the 90s comics: a witty but mostly harmless thief with finesse. This Selina? There's no finesse to her. She's blunt and straight to the point. Not the Selina I know and love, which is an even bigger letdown. >:(

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shadowpsykie
2011-11-17 12:32 am UTC (link)

you know... i honestly don't hate this... i don't love it, but i don't hate it... like others have said, this character was definately a trigger for Selina. From what i have seen Selina wanting to kill this guy for it (and not just because he killed her friend, but because the way he explained it, he killed her over "things" that were meaningless, the only meaning they had were that he wanted them)

Selina is pissed. Maybe she would have killed him, maybe she wouldn't have... if she really was going to kill him, Hell with what batman says, she could kill him and still get away. but she didn't. she threw him off the building Knowing batman would catch him. I mean i can see where some peopel would be uspet with this... but i don't really see it as out of character for selina. Yes she had a no kill rule like batman, but i have always seen her in degrees, below batman, but above redhood.

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	no subject aeka 2011-11-17 12:40 am UTC (link)
	I get that it was a trigger for her, I'm not arguing that it wasn't. As I said she intended to kill him out of rage. What I don't like is that she's being portrayed here as someone who has now qualms about killing, and that doesn't feel in character for Selina. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

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shadowpsykie
2011-11-17 01:20 am UTC (link)

how does she have no qualms about killing? because she didn't stop and pause to think about wether or not she should kill the man that killed, from what i have read, a woman who was pretty much a mother or godmother to her?

i'm sorry if i seem dense, i don't get how wanting to kill this guy shows she has no qualms about killing? if anything because of what he did iam surprised selina did NOT just kill him and be done with it.

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	no subject aeka 2011-11-17 01:30 am UTC (link)
	Let me put it this way: what kind of character is Winick trying to present to the reader if he has to use the death of an important character in Selina's life as a plot device to put her into a position where she has to consider killing? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

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shadowpsykie
2011-11-17 01:41 am UTC (link)

but that has more to say about Winick than it does Selina. what ever the case maybe. About Selina, what i see is that it takes some one who is as close to a mother as she has had dying to make selina consider killing. same as with slam, same as with maggie, same as with Holly. again i don't see this out of character, because she has killed (under these circumstances) before. i mean these are not insignificant people. these are innocent people she loves. with one exception, there has always been something stopping her from actually killing them. something that allows her to stop and think. well she stopped and thought here, and she didn't kill him, even though she could have (i know I would have if i were her).

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aeka
2011-11-17 02:55 am UTC (link)

again i don't see this out of character, because she has killed (under these circumstances) before

And how often has she killed under these circumstances? Only once, and that was only after she concluded that the only way her loved ones would be safe from Black Mask persistently harming them was by killing him. She didn't consider this option again after that, even when other villains like Film Freak and Angle Man came around and endangered the life of Baby Helena by placing her right smack in the middle of a street to be runned over by a car.

As I've pointed out to someone else on this thread, if Selina has always considered killing under these circumstances before, it would suffice to say she would not have made Black Mask the only exception to her strict no-kill rule, nor would she have any reason to abide by it in the first place. The fact that Winick was this quick to put her in a situation where she considers sending a guy to his death this early in her story says a lot about how he sees this character, which tells me (after three issues so far) that he has a very superficial understanding of the character at best.

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shadowpsykie
2011-11-17 03:11 am UTC (link)

while i don't agree with you 100% i do see where you are coming from. While i don't dislike Winick on this title, i don't think he was the best person to tell THIS story, (ie a reintroduction to catwoman in the DCnU). i would have less of a problem with this story if it was... say issue 30 or more. but i agree, telling this story so early on is a mistake, and some one else should have been writing this....

truth be told, i would be interested to see how Gail Simone would write her.

that said, i am... well not enjoying this run, it has lots of problems.... but i am not hating it. ("not hating this" should not be the way to start off a new series though)

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aeka
2011-11-17 03:36 am UTC (link)

I don't hate the series either, I'm just not liking the direction Winick is taking with a classic character like Selina. He's basically trying too hard to write an 'edgier Catwoman' without having a strong handle on her character, or really understanding what motivates and drives this character to do what she does. If anything it doesn't feel like the story is even about Selina at all, but rather how he thinks readers want to see Selina. There's a lot of jumping the gun but no actual development to actually lead to any of the events taking place in the book in a way that I--as a reader--can actually believe if that makes sense.

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benicio127
2011-11-18 03:26 am UTC (link)

The fact that Winick was this quick to put her in a situation where she considers sending a guy to his death this early in her story says a lot about how he sees this character, which tells me (after three issues so far) that he has a very superficial understanding of the character at best.

Agreed. Well-said. For me, Winick is very hit or miss with female characters. Dinah, Wonder Woman, Selina, Ice? No, no, no. Mia, Talia, Grace, Anissa, Onyx? Yes.

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