scans_daily: Sex in the 90s

Diane Darcy (

aeka) wrote in

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@ 2011-11-29 02:23 am UTC

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char: black canary/dinah lance, char: green arrow/oliver queen, nsfw: nudity, nsfw: sex, title: green arrow

Sex in the 90s

As everyone here knows, DC has gotten a shit tonne of criticism for their portrayal of sex in their New 52 line. Not without reason of course since the sex that has been portrayed so far has been nothing short of fanservice.

But then, back in 1990, DC got away with this...

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Makes me wonder what the reactions to THIS was back then if people of today complained about the Batman/Catwoman sex scene in Catwoman #1. At best no one was in any position to complain about the scene being non-consensual. :}

Warning for sex and nudity. NSFW.

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	no subject mrstatham 2011-11-29 08:45 am UTC (link)
	Are we really calling the scene from Catwoman 'rape', now? It just.. Well, it seems a little extreme, somehow. As for the main scene, I think people would kick up even more of a fuss than they have about the other scenes. You can see her rear! And a nipple! And it's even more obvious what they're doing than in the Catwoman scene. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 12 comments) (Show 12 comments)

	no subject golden_orange 2011-11-29 08:57 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, I found that scene a bit uncomfortable, but I wouldn't go so far as 'rape'. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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aeka
2011-11-29 09:53 am UTC (link)

Are we really calling the scene from Catwoman 'rape', now? It just.. Well, it seems a little extreme, somehow.

I was being sarcastic. I personally thought the idea of Bat and Cat having *anonymous* violent sex with each other was out of character for them both at best, though people did complain about the rape overtones of the scene. Truthfully, I've seen far, far worse than what was actually depicted in Catwoman, enough to make the Catwoman scene look vanilla by comparison.

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	no subject darkknightjrk 2011-11-29 12:42 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah--whether it was too explicit for it's rating can be argued (I think I've seen worse on Battlestar Galactica, for example), but calling it rape seems WAY too extreme, IMO. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject philippos42 2011-11-29 08:45 am UTC (link)
	This was the Grell/Hannigan stuff? They restricted the sale of this. You couldn't get a subscription if you were under 17 (or was it 16?). (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject aeka 2011-11-29 10:10 am UTC (link)
	I honestly wouldn't know considering I was 4 at the time of this comic's release. So whatever the 'rules' were for buying comics containing adult content I'm completely oblivious to. >.o (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	Re: This isn't as bad as the Catwoman one mrstatham 2011-11-29 09:12 am UTC (link)
	Nope. I knew Dinah had black hair because Smith's run on GA referenced it - I think it was something like Ollie trying to pull her wig off, only to find it was real hair that she'd grown out and dyed blonde since. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	Re: This isn't as bad as the Catwoman one aeka 2011-11-29 10:02 am UTC (link)
	Nope. Both mama and daughter Canaries have naturally black hair. Dinah II simply stopped wearing a wig at some point and just started bleaching her hair. :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	Re: This isn't as bad as the Catwoman one lieut_kettch 2011-11-29 12:19 pm UTC (link)
	The blonde wig was part of the BC's (both Dinah and her mom) disguise. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject q99 2011-11-29 02:03 pm UTC (link)
	Yea, romantic even. And while Dinah gets more focus, what one can see of Ollie is pretty sexy. This I had no problem with whatsoever. Heck, I'd love to see more sexiness like this! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject lilacsigil 2011-11-29 08:50 am UTC (link)
	Well, this is nicely drawn, obviously consensual and enjoyable, actually relevant to the story and in a comic for adults, so why would anyone react particularly? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject filkertom 2011-11-29 11:47 am UTC (link)
	Because back then comics were still considered Dangers To Children's Morality or somethin'. Y'know what I notice? That Canary has a slight tummy. Just a little. This is a fun, sexy, almost quiet scene. I miss this kinda stuff. [breaks out entire run of Phil Foglio's XXXenophile] (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject whitesycamore 2011-11-29 09:06 am UTC (link)
	Typically 90's. You can see loads of Dinah, but most of Ollie is conveniently covered up. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

	no subject mrstatham 2011-11-29 09:13 am UTC (link)
	More like typical mainstream comics in general, I'd say. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject mrstatham 2011-11-29 09:18 am UTC (link)
	On a random note, why do I get the surreal feeling that the tower blocks and buildings we can see are actively watching Dinah and Ollie have sex? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

	no subject whitesycamore 2011-11-29 09:21 am UTC (link)
	And why does Ollie have a knobbly stone wall on the interior of his house? Is it to fulfil a medieval castle fantasy? Damn, that's tacky. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject celestialchild 2011-11-29 10:04 am UTC (link)
	While it's obvious they're servicing Canary rather than Green Arrow, this otherwise actually a pretty beautiful scene. The art is nice, the sex is consensual and nonviolent... it seems a rare moment for comics. (Reply to this)

	no subject eyz 2011-11-29 10:13 am UTC (link)
	Well, it was "more romantic" back then :P Na, seriously. They're on an actual bed, not masked..and well, Green Arrow was a mature readers book back then. Unlike the sub-par A-Team for teens-like random book it is now... (Reply to this)

	no subject mullon 2011-11-29 02:42 pm UTC (link)
	I like Dinah with short black hair. And I normally don't like short black hair, (Reply to this)

	no subject mrosa 2011-11-29 03:59 pm UTC (link)
	Oh man, the 'Fred' panel is just too good! (Reply to this)

	no subject biod 2011-11-29 05:55 pm UTC (link)
	Hot, Mature, and Adorable. I see nothing wrong with this. (Reply to this)

	no subject pyrotwilight 2011-11-29 06:10 pm UTC (link)
	Wow. DC actually printed nipple? And you too, at least close the shades/windows if you're gonna get it on! (Reply to this)

	no subject ian_karkull 2011-11-29 06:26 pm UTC (link)
	This illustrates perfectly the difference between pornography and erotica. It's aesthetically pleasing, playful and charming, rather than tittilating and exploitative. In other words, I wouldn't mind seeing more sexuality depicted like that in comics (and that includes the excellent art style), rather than, say.. Red Hood and the Outlaws and that ilk. (Reply to this)

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	no subject crabby_lioness 2011-11-29 06:34 pm UTC (link)
	What everyone else has said, plus its playful consensual sex between two adults in a long term relationship. At this point, this couple planned to be together for the rest of their lives. (Reply to this)

	no subject big_daddy_d 2011-11-30 01:24 am UTC (link)
	I have nothing to add. Others have pretty much said it already. Two consenting adults who have been in a long term relationship and very much in love. They also know each other's identities so none of that "leave our masks on" bullshit. It doesn't do a disservice to either parties involved as well. (Reply to this)

	no subject aeka 2011-11-30 05:17 am UTC (link)
	I don't see what the industry appears to have against vanilla, to be honest. Aside from the "vanilla isn't edgy enough to sell" bullshit, I don't either. As Alan Moore once said, the only thing any comicbook industry needs to do to generate interest and sell books is to tell good stories. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)