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Date: 2011-12-02 09:32 am (UTC)
drexer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] drexer
How can something start so well and then throw the gay=molestation trope at us? Why was that needed? Specially with the way he says 'this way'.

I might be overly critical though, this is really one of those situations where I'll probably have a flip through the whole issue at my LCS.

Date: 2011-12-02 10:11 am (UTC)
nomadicwriter: [Doctor Doom] Victor Von Crankypants (hmm)
From: [personal profile] nomadicwriter
It's worth reading the attached article: Gage is clearly very aware of the trope and trying to tackle it head on and talk about how being an abuse survivor can complicate a teenager's relationship with their sexuality. Which is... brave, although I've got to say I'm nervous about how successfully it will come off.

Q: Were you at all nervous about taking Striker in this direction, especially after playing him as a shameless flirt for the last 20 issues? Do you fear any negative reader response?

Gage: I wasn't worried about a backlash for him being gay. I think it's pretty clear, if you go back and read issue #5, that this is something that's been part of his character all along, not something I did to draw attention to the book or pursue a political agenda or whatever. [...] The thing I did have a little bit of concern about was that no one mistakenly think I was implying that being abused as a child somehow "made" Striker gay. Quite the opposite -- if he hadn't been abused, he may well have figured this out a long time ago. But making that clear is on my shoulders. Hopefully, I got it across in the story.

Date: 2011-12-02 10:18 am (UTC)
valtyr: (Default)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
It seems like that's just Striker's worry talking, and Julie will knock that assumption down. I went and read the interview with Christos Gage at the link, and he talks about how being an abuse survivor can lead people, gay or straight, to struggle with their sexuality/who they're attracted to. It's the second from last question, might be worth checking it out if you're on the fence about looking at the comic.

Date: 2011-12-02 10:23 am (UTC)
valtyr: (karolina+xavin)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Aren't Rictor and Shatterstar bi?

I like this, though. It's nice to see them offering each other support.

Date: 2011-12-02 10:25 am (UTC)
terrykun: (aqualad year one clap)
From: [personal profile] terrykun
Oh Julie.... god I know what all that is like.*

"This is because you watched all that anime, isn't it?!" << Actual excerpt from my mother's reaction to me coming out as bi.

*Except for the getting super-powers from alien horses part. *envy*

Date: 2011-12-02 10:28 am (UTC)
drexer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] drexer
Yeah, I had first seen this and posted through my phone and I only read the full interview now. You're right, it does seem like most usual fears are unfounded and that Gage really is trying to fully work with the issue and all that surrounds it.

Like you said, it's a bold move, but I fear for his success.

Date: 2011-12-02 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
You think it started well? The sentiment is noble, but the whole thing reads in the most clunky, dorky, preachy way ever.

But judging from the interview the writer is actually trying to do the molestation = sexual confusion trope, which is a separate and legitimate thing for some people.

Date: 2011-12-02 10:46 am (UTC)
manicferret: Daken w/ shades (Shades)
From: [personal profile] manicferret
Bi woman here, and yeah, I appreciate the sentiment that they're trying to get across but yeah, a bit preachy and clunky in the Special Episode kind of way. I won't pass judgement on the "molestation=gay" until I see the continuation, Julie's reaction and so on The writer does seem to be genuinely trying to be respectful at least if you go by the article

As for first bi characters, I think Mystique counts, as does Rictor and Shatterstar, and so does Daken. probably more as I remember having read a great blog post on the issue. I'll see if I can find it.

Date: 2011-12-02 11:22 am (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Wasn't Grace bi as well? :P
(...Grace... Grace Choi remember? from the Outsiders - the good ones!)

She did swing both ways, she was with Arsneal for quite a while and then with Black Lightning's daughter Thunder.

Anyway, that's how I remember it~

Date: 2011-12-02 11:34 am (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Yes. Though as she put it, "I have sex with men. I have *relationships* with women."

Date: 2011-12-02 11:44 am (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
The Incredible Hercules is bi.

Date: 2011-12-02 11:44 am (UTC)
terrykun: (lloyd ah-hah)
From: [personal profile] terrykun
"You make it sound so simple."
"It's really not."

Date: 2011-12-02 12:20 pm (UTC)
salinea: (meh)
From: [personal profile] salinea
I'm not sure how Rictor and Shatterstar self-identify
I don't think they do, but by that strict a standard, it's not exactly like she said she self identified yet either.
Edited Date: 2011-12-02 12:24 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-12-02 12:23 pm (UTC)
salinea: renee/kate hugging (femslash)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Isn't Black Cat bi, too?

Moondragon and Phyla-Vell, the wikipedia has them as Bisexual rather than Lesbian - are they right?

Date: 2011-12-02 12:31 pm (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Lemme rephrase it in a way everybody will agree:
"the last good variation of the Outsiders"

Date: 2011-12-02 12:32 pm (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Aww, I though her relationship with Roy was pretty sweet :/
It was also the last enjoyable stories where Roy was actually pretty well written.

Date: 2011-12-02 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I don't know if they've said it out-loud--I only have the first trade of this run--but from interviews I've seen, PAD's described Shatterstar sorta like a Jack Harkness, which makes bi a strong possibility, and I think I've seen him mention that Richtor's relationships with women like Rhane were valid, which could go either way.

Date: 2011-12-02 12:47 pm (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Yeah I really enjoyed pretty much that entire Outsiders run. It was the first thing to turn me on to Judd Winnick. Who of course then turned out to be extremely dodgy, but still. Shift and Indigo? Most amazing tragic love story in comics.

Date: 2011-12-02 12:58 pm (UTC)
joasakura: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joasakura
I *think* word of god has Rictor identifying as Bi. I might be getting it confused with fanon, but i'm pretty sure.

I think 'star is still working it out beyond "rictorsexual" (I know he's been described as being curious like Jack Harkness, which would really be more pansexual)

Date: 2011-12-02 01:03 pm (UTC)
flidgetjerome: Hark, a Vagrant #328 (Default)
From: [personal profile] flidgetjerome
Starman Mikaal Tomas used to identify as bisexual, including a pretty nice scene where he gently corrected Jack Knight after Jack referred to him as "my gay blue brother".

It rather broke my heart when Robinson revised him to gay. "Bisexuals just haven't picked a side yet" is another trope that really needs to die.

Date: 2011-12-02 01:13 pm (UTC)
salinea: (fuck that shit)
From: [personal profile] salinea
"Bisexuals just haven't picked a side yet" is another trope that really needs to die.

Date: 2011-12-02 01:20 pm (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
I still miss Indigo (and Shift) these days :(
Yeah it was the run that made me like Winnick's writing (unlike everything else he writes usually...)

Then One Year Later shaked the book, Batman comes out of nowhere to ruin the lineup of the team, book changes name, etc,etc.. -sigh-
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