Offensive Meetings, Antagonistic Communications

[arbre_rieur]

Anyone know why the hell this book is part of DC's "Edge" line? It's probably the least edgy book they're putting out outside the Johnny DC line (not that that's a bad thing).

Comments

[kamino_neko]

This is a book where the hero is a near-mindless walking weapon built around a poor schmuck whose life is ruined when his body is hijacked by said walking weapon, who's fighting an apparent 'shadow government'-type conspiracy that may or may not have some connection to evil gods, and whose combat strategies include 'massive property damage (with no concern for collateral casualties)', and 'absorb the enemy (whose life was ruined in order to draw him out so I could do that)'.

The books promo'd as part of The Edge for the most part involve a conspiratorial (heh) edge, feature anti-heroes and villain protagonists, and a moderate violence level - all of which describe OMAC perfectly well.

If I were to pick one of the Edge books as the odd man out, it wouldn't be OMAC, it'd be Men of War - no conspiracy that we can see (save for the fact that with the number of them floating around, it's almost inevitable our heroes would get caught up in ONE of them), and the protagonists are no more anti-heroes nor villains than any other soldier.

[icon_uk]

I like the "ambient tech" idea. A very Kirby concept

[mrosa]

Why would anyone want to copy Kirby's style? I just keep thinking that Kirby, being a person who liked to come up with new ideas all the time, would rather people developed their own style instead of aping his.

[jlbarnett]

because people don't want to to what he would want they want to do what he did

[mrosa]

Then they'll only succeed in being second-rate Kirbies, which sadly seems to be the zenith of most people's ambitions working in comics.

[arbre_rieur]

Keith Giffen's art is obviously Kirby-inspired, but I don't think anyone can argue that he doesn't take it in his own direction. The similarity only stands out because Kirby himself has such an idiosyncratic style, but you could probably find dozens of artists just as heavily influenced by, say, Neal Adams or Buscema. It's just less noticeable in those instances because those two's styles are less off-beat.

[mrosa]

Yes, I agree that Kirby was very distinctive. But I think artists should strive to find their own style. And in Giffen's case, I know he can draw without aping Kirby. It's the nostalgia that upsets me the most. It's like I wrote before, knowing what little I know of Kirby, I think he'd rather people drew the way they want instead of being beholden to him.

[arbre_rieur]

And yet you were the one who appreciatively posted pages from the Jack Kirby tribute issue of Supreme, a comic that aped other artist' styles in almost every issue (not to mention all the homages in the plotting). I suspect you don't have a problem with that because you know that's not the only thing Alan Moore does, just one work in a larger body of works. Well, you yourself point out this isn't the only kind of art Giffen does, so what's the problem?

[mrosa]

I believe there's a difference. For one thing, Rick Veitch wasn't just aping Kirby, but EC, MAD and other styles. For me, that was part of the big metatextual commentary Moore was making about the medium, painstakingly duplicating the visual and literal style of old comics and then contrast them to their modern counterparts. I don't think we'd have the same story without tose pastiches because they were story. There was an intellectual reason for them.

But in OMAC there's no reason for it, not to me anyway. For me nothing's gained by it. It make as much sense as drawing Thor, the X-Men or the Avengers in Kirby's style.

[biod]

Excuse me, I'm just laughing my ass off at "Omactivate".

[kamino_neko]

Giffen's art doesn't look like Kirby's, particularly. 'Bulky characters' is a trademark of Kirby's style, but he's far from the only one to use them.

There's Kirby influence, obviously, and they're certainly playing it up, given that this is a Kirby-created property that uses a lot of Kirby-style concepts, but Giffen's art is clearly Giffen's - nobody does faces like he does, for one thing.

[arbre_rieur]

The amount of meta-commentary in SUPREME varied from issue to issue. There were some issues where it was integral to the story, but there were others that were heavy on the "meta' with little in the way of "commentary," beyond one or two line of "Wow, weren't thing (insert adjective) back in those days," from the characters. For issues that fell in the latter category, there wasn't any purpose to so painstakingly mimicking comics of yore beyond fun and nostalgia.

"But in OMAC there's no reason for it, not to me anyway. For me nothing's gained by it."

It looks beautiful, it's not to the point where Giffen's own style is lost, and it suits the kind of story being told. That's reason enough, to me at least.

"It make as much sense as drawing Thor, the X-Men or the Avengers in Kirby's style."

See, I'd say, given the right kind of story, that would work really well. There was a mini-series years ago, THOR: GODSTORM, drawn by Steve Rude, that fits your description, and it was a lot of fun.

http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=495089&gsub=14993

[eyz]

Such a fun, retro-ysh and colorful book^^
Wish there'd be more of that around... (even though I know many have problems with it)

[the_eleven]

But in OMAC there's no reason for it

OMAC is a Kirby book in the first place? That seems like the whole point of this exercise, two old Kirby fans having fun with a piece of the legacy.