Mass Resurrection ala Marvel

[blackruzsa]

I don't know if anyone's posted or seen this already, but there are quite a few spoilers here for the upcoming issues of Avengers: the Children's Crusade.

I'm keeping out a few tags on purpose for those who wish for no spoilers.

Comments

[glprime]

Sure, why not? Not like it damages the dramatic impact of past deaths.

*cue WAH WAH WAH WAAAAAAAAAAH*

[fifthie]

Fuck the dramatic impact of past deaths, they are always a cheap lazy hackwork device that should be reversed as soon as possible.

[fifthie]

Well okay... except for Hal.

[glprime]

I'm not disagreeing with you, it's a recursive problem of lazy writing and this is the other side of the coin. Death/Resurrection is played out in comics, period.

[espanolbot]

Yet again, Doom proves that he's the greatest hero in the Marvel Universe!

Or, you know, he's done it for the same reason he agreed to help out Susan when she was giving birth to Valeria and Reed was busy doing something else. Namely to annoy Reed that he was able to do something good that Reed couldn't.

[flidgetjerome]

No reason he can't multi-task.

[eyz]

Damn' you, DOOOOOM!! *somewhere, Reed is shaking his fist, annoyed, as usual*
:P

[arilou_skiff]

The problem or Doom is that all his trolling attempts won't work because Reed doesen't really care. He's just pleased that Doom is doing something useful rather than launching his house into space.

[eyz]

Poor Doom...he only wanted Reed's attention, once in a while...

At the heart of each great arch-enemy, a broken heart :P

Anyways,
this sounds and looks too much like Blackest Night's conclusion all over again!

[nyadnar17]

Yeah Doom should start trolling Tony Stark instead. Tony would be much more "appreciative".

[mistervader]

Speaking of which, would you happen to have the scans to when Victor made the bargain that he will get to name Valeria for Reed and Sue? I know he offered a name he *won't* give the girl, and I chuckled at the name.

But now, I forgot what name he offered up.

[da_reap]

I love the rejected options better, like what one person put up: 'Isa.'

Teutonic girl's name that means 'iron', very nice...

And when Reed sees her birth certificate, he notices it says 'Richards, Isa Failure.'

[brooms]

I was about to post it, you beat me to it!

http://marvel.com/images/gallery/story/17815/tuesday_qa_allan_heinberg/image/899332

He's looking mighty foine, isn't he :3

And this is why I can't wait 3 months for Cheung's art.

[brooms]

Also linking to this Heinberg interview, because he confirms Children's Crusade will pave the way for Avengers vs X-Men -

http://marvel.com/news/story/17815/tuesday_qa_allan_heinberg

This is the part that bothers me...

[bewareofgeek]

"Allan Heinberg: It's revived and transformed him, burning away his ego and his insecurity, leaving only what is true and noble about Victor Von Doom."

Doom without his ego isn't Doom. :)

And yeah, I doubt this will stick.

Re: This is the part that bothers me...

[crabby_lioness]

If the supposedly ego-less Doom immediately starts correcting his own past mistakes, it might be real. If he immediately starts correcting his enemies' past mistakes, it's 100% BS -- and quintessential Doom.

Re: This is the part that bothers me...

[bewareofgeek]

Oh, I think it's real. I just expect it to last about 2 months before someone decides they need him as a villain again, and has him consciously decide to go back to the way he was or something. Bonus points if:

1) This turns out to be a Doombot, or
2) He purposefully scars himself.

Re: This is the part that bothers me...

[schala_kid]

They already did this in Secret Wars, kind of, Doom was omnipotent and the best at everything that there was no need for him to have an ego or do what he did.

[practicalcat]

Wait, did they bring Original Flavor Vision back too? OMG YAY TWO VISIONS! Jonas needs a non-evil member of his family to chill with!

[sinisterlink]

Original Vision showed up in one of the Avenger titles this month. Tony said he had been fixing him secretly and got him working again. There was a rather cute scene where Vision was saying hello to everyone when he saw the Red Hulk and was like 0_o and someone else was like, "Yeah, there's a Red Hulk now..."

[practicalcat]

Yay!

See Tony, this is a MUCH better idea than cloning Thor. Which Avengers title?

[sinisterlink]

It was in Avengers #19. Here's some pics I found:

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengers_19_TheGroup_015.jpg

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Avengers_19_TheGroup_016.jpg

[practicalcat]

Thanks for the pics!

Please tell me that the last panel is Vision spotting Billy and/or Tommy and/or Jonas. Please?

[long_silence]

The main one.

[blackruzsa]

Can't believe I missed that! I do wanna see how Jonas reacts to that.

[sinisterlink]

I'm just glad they brought the original Vision back separately. I was afraid they'd be doing the "there can only be one" kind of thing and have Jonas wiped out while putting the original in his place or something like that.

[blackruzsa]

Would have hurt something if that happened :[

[pyrotwilight]

Which confuses me greatly actually. Wasn't Vision all but obliterated and then what was left of him without memory got turned into Jonas?

[blackruzsa]

Actually, Jonas is Ironlad's armor which was infused with the salvageable data from Vision's hard drive.

Like when you put a folder from one computer into another, so Jonas and Victor(?) are two different Visions.

[blackruzsa]

Gotta love being in a country where the only area ahead of you in time is Australia :D

[akodo_rokku]

I don't think there's any way those resurrections stick, or Doom stays in his megapowered good-guy form for long.

Especially since it's pretty obvious Iron Lad is a Secret Bad Guy.

[crabby_lioness]

How can it be a secret when he introduces himself as Kang?

[akodo_rokku]

Because teenagers are stupid!

[crabby_lioness]

Nah, they're not stupid. Just inexperienced and periodically insane....

[blackruzsa]

Iron Lad is a Secret Bad Guy.

? :O

[auggie18]

Oooohkay, took it too far. There's no way this is sticking now.

[auggie18]

Goddamn if the man doesn't draw a pretty Jean, though.

[glprime]

Pretty everyone, really. It's why when I picture the Marvel U now, I do it through this or McNiven's work.

[nomadicwriter]

I'm not sure the resurrections there are actually 'real' as such; looking at the sequence of panels, it seems like what we're seeing could just be Doom doing a bit of a power demo:

Panel 1. Doom: "Look, see, I could be a benevolent god and do all this good stuff for you."
Panel 2. *Doom waves a hand and makes the good stuff disappear*
Panel 3. Doom: "Or, if you don't play nice, I could be the evil glowy eyed destructive kind of god instead."
Panel 4. Everybody else: "...Soooo, who decided it was a good idea to let Doom have the keys to the 'godlike power' cabinet again?"

[crabby_lioness]

Motto, although I think he'll try to be a bit more subtle than that.

Doom Omnipotent.....

[capt_satellite]

....because it worked so well in Secret Wars >:(

Re: Doom Omnipotent.....

[schala_kid]

THIS

[filthysize]

I still don't know where this is in relation to FF.

[maxisanacorn]

What's Hope's purpose now that Jean Grey is back...again....I always thought she was like...Jean incarnate...thing...

[pyrotwilight]

Eh, depends on if Jean's pseudo resurrection lasts, which seems unlikely. And no one's still really sure what the heck Hope is in relation to Jean if anything. She might just be a redheaded herring.

[thefiretonight]

I thought Mar-Vell was already brought back?

[thefiretonight]

Also I would approve of his coming back if his other kids get to, too. :-p Does Teddy even know of his siblings?

[long_silence]

I think everyone who was brought back during Chaos War died again (except for Alpha Flight for some inexplicable reason)

[blackruzsa]

They never really did explain that...

[bruinsfan]

Obscure enough that Death either forgot about them or decided not to bother?

[tzipwich]

I think the Dead Avengers who didn't re-die stayed alive.

[long_silence]

Swordsman and Yellowjacket haven't shown up anywhere. But I suppose any writer could potentially use Chaos War as an excuse to bring them back. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

[blackruzsa]

I think that was a skrull clone?

[silverzeo]

... so Doom is a White Lantern?

[turtlefu]

Wow, I haven't been a fan of series, but...
the constant retcon retcon retconning is getting annoying. This feels like continuity porn.

[introverted_excavator]

If it sticks, this is a really cheap way of bringing Jean back.

[sinisterlink]

Oh please, like they are really going to bring all those characters back at the same time and have it stick. If anything I'd say he's just doing a, "Look what I can do with my phenomenal cosmic powers!" Honestly, as pretty as the art is, I am so done with this story and just want it to be over. It's taken way too freaking long to come out and it doesn't fit into any continuity. And while I'm happy to see Scott Lang back, I'm convinced that he'll be dead again by the end of the series, giving Cassie even more to angst about.

[blackruzsa]

I don't think so, since the way his 'resurrection' happened was that he never really died, so if one is gonna stick, it'll be Scott Lang.

[sinisterlink]

See, I really really hope he stays alive, but I'm so used to comics hurting me that I usually expect the worst and am pleasantly surprised if something goes the way I want it to. lol.

[red_menace]

I don't mind if Marvel wants to erase some of their crappier death decisions from recent years, but I wish to god it was in a book that I don't forget exists for months at a time.

[blackruzsa]

Motto.
This book has effectively wiped clean my interest in the Young Avengers, and then some.

WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE A MONTHLY, MARVEL, WHY!!! I like Jim Cheung and all but he is not worth waiting two months and oops! a few more for.

[long_silence]

Out of curiosity, why do you still have a Billy Kaplan avatar and make posts about Children's Crusade if you have no more interest in the Young Avengers.

[blackruzsa]

Because I still love 'em, even if I'm not interested in 'em. And the CC post was since my Twitter told me about it and no one seemed to have gone to s_d about it yet.

And I never got around to changing the Billy Kaplan one, I like it too much.

Really, if I changed my icon every time I changed an interest, you'd have seen Princess Tutu, Daken, Supernatural, and Thor icons in spades by now.

[sinisterlink]

See, I think you hit the nail on the head there. I ALWAYS forget that this book is still going on. Everytime someone makes a post about it, I'm just like, "Oh yeah, it's still not over, is it?" What do we have left, two issues?

[red_menace]

I wanna say three, but who even knows anymore? By my math this thing should have ended in October.

[blackruzsa]

When it started, they said it'd end by November 2011.

[nursewretched]

I really wish this resurrection sticks for Banshee at least, his death was beyond che-wait, Nightcrawler's dead? When did that happen?

[salinea]

Nightcrawler's dead? When did that happen?
Second Coming. The big X-Men event before Schism.

[nursewretched]

Ah, that explains it, I've been ignoring the X-titles for the last couple of years. I'm still a bit surprised that I have not heard about it, since he's pretty popular. Thank you for your reply. :)

[blackruzsa]

O: !
You didn't know?
He got arm-stabbed trying to save Hope that one time--the same way the other teleporting dude (Will i am xD) in the Wolverine movie did.

[nursewretched]

Not a clue, sadly enough! XD

Wow, it's like an anti-teleporter conspiracy or something.

[salinea]

As a long time A Song of Ice and Fire fan, I find all those "OH NOES! One issue is two months late! And it was only bimensual in the first place! I don't care about this story anymore now!" thing befuddling.

Am I, like, the only person who still very much enjoy the story, delays and all, and very much looking forward to its conclusion? oh well :/

[long_silence]

I'm still enjoying the story. It's better than most of what Marvel is putting out. Cheung's art is amazing and Heinberg writes a lot of truly great and genuine character moments. I can't wait to see how it ends.

I honestly don't understand the obsession everyone has with where it fits in continuity (it happened sometime after Siege and Second Coming, what more do we need to know?).

I get complaints about the delays which are ridiculous. But people have been complaining since the beginning of the series about the two month wait, everyone just wants the whole story right away, no patience.

[blackruzsa]

Well I do still love the characters and all, but this has gone on through my hard drives failing and my comics getting lost, so no go on trying to remember where we left off and what the heck these new characters are doing there.

[crinos]

Dr. Doom, when he comes back from death as Doom the white, he brings FRIENDS.