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Entry tags:char: batman/bruce wayne, char: catwoman/selina kyle
Well peeps, as some of you may know, the second trailer along with the prologue will debut tonight at midnight with Sherlock Holmes and Mission Impossible. However, as usual, someone was kind enough to leak it online.

The sound and visual quality isn't great, but at least this gives us an idea of what we're in for. :}



Source link: http://www.movieweb.com/movie/the-dark-knight-rises/trailer-2

Description of the trailer in case video goes bye bye: http://batman-news.com/2011/12/15/the-dark-knight-rises-trailer-2-leaked-descriptions-are-online/

Hmmm...is it just me or has Bruce and Selina dancing at a masquerade ball become a cliche now in Bat cinema?

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[personal profile] espanolbot
2011-12-15 11:06 pm UTC (link)
To be fair, the Joker in the Dark Knight was first and foremost a almost compulsive liar, for example, he claims to just make it up as he goes while his schemes have to be MASSIVELY planned out in order to work as the situation changes, I think the whole "I'm an agent of chaos" thing was just another part of his spiel to Dent etc. to trick them into thinking that he was something he wasn't.

With the Joker in that movie, it seemed to be more about collecting power and using it to mess with people, so he can get more power to troll an even larger "audience". For example, he robs mob banks at the beginning of the movie because it gets him funds and henchmen while keeping the police off his back (the mob aren't going to admit that their money was stolen).

He then goes to the mob with his plan to kill Batman, which gets him more money and manpower, from which he movies from terrorising the Mafia to terrorising the Gotham legal system, and from there the entire city as the movie progresses while driving Dent crazy and sending him off to kill the few members of the Mob left that could oppose him.

He wasn't trying to punish "schemers" or any of those other things he said, after all he was the biggest schemer in the whole movie. He was just deciding to mess with people's minds through fear and mindgames because it amused him. Which kind of makes Alfred "some men just want to watch the world burn" speech the best description of the Joker in the whole movie, as it's the only fully accurate one.

Similarly, Batman might come off as being kind of reactionary once the Joker's plot starts moving, though that could be interpreted as a combination of him only being a year into the superheroing gig at this point and acting under the assumption that the Joker is "just another gangster", which arguably even the Scarecrow was at the point the movie began at. He thought that the Joker could be easily worked out, "Criminals aren't complicated" as he explained to Alfred, which proved to be his downfall as he had to run around after him as he didn't know what he was going to do next due to the aforementioned superhuman planning ability the Joker seemed to have.

Maybe the movie had been the second or third time that Batman and the Joker had gone up against each other... I don't know, many Batman would have been a bit less reactionary as he'd have a bit more of an insight to the Joker's thought processes and thus wouldn't be stumbling around in the dark as much.

Maybe in the eight years in between the Dark Knight and DKR, Batman has interacted with more actual supervillains (Scarecrow arguably doesn't count on the same level as the Joker, and Ra's had the disadvantage of basically showing Bruce his methods and resources in advance) and is thus more in line with stopping them, like he is in the comics. Maybe he and the Joker battled some more off screen, though from an interview I read ages and ages back, they said that the Joker was executed in between the movies, so I don't know. We'll have to see.

The fact that they made colouring in books etc. isn't really the fault of the movie though, to address one of your other points. That's the marketing department's fault.

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2011-12-15 11:21 pm UTC (link)
No, I very much get that the Joker is full of shit nearly every time he opens his mouth to one of the protagonists in this movie, and I get that he's lying through his teeth to Harvey in the hospital - It's just that everyone who likes to think they understand the character goes to that scene as though the Joker is some kind of a saint and never lies, and uses it as a summation of his character. In reality, Joker might as well be fucking Satan himself in that scene, because it is a lie.

And it isn't so much Batman's reactionary stance to the Joker as the fact that the film unfairly tips the deck in Joker's favour, to me. In the chase scene, we do have the benefit of the dirty cops on the mob's payroll to let him know the basic route Dent's truck will take. But how does the Joker process and deploy henchmen as necessary when he shouldn't know the detour onto the main streets that the truck will take, shouldn't know the police are deploying a chopper, and other things? It's not possible to explain it, in my eyes. So the film tips the deck in Joker's favour, since Batman doesn't do an awful job of keeping up with him.

As for the colouring books and toys, I know it's silly to complain about such things, but it does just seem at odds with Nolan's mission to make it a film we take very seriously, especially one with a Joker like TDK's.

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