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Diane Darcy ([personal profile] aeka) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2011-12-15 15:51

Second Dark Knight Rises Trailer Leaked

Well peeps, as some of you may know, the second trailer along with the prologue will debut tonight at midnight with Sherlock Holmes and Mission Impossible. However, as usual, someone was kind enough to leak it online.

The sound and visual quality isn't great, but at least this gives us an idea of what we're in for. :}



Source link: http://www.movieweb.com/movie/the-dark-knight-rises/trailer-2

Description of the trailer in case video goes bye bye: http://batman-news.com/2011/12/15/the-dark-knight-rises-trailer-2-leaked-descriptions-are-online/

Hmmm...is it just me or has Bruce and Selina dancing at a masquerade ball become a cliche now in Bat cinema?

For legality:


[identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com 2011-12-17 04:00 (UTC)(link)
Actually, what I'm claiming is that Captain America simply didn't have enough information to make an informed decision, and based on information that he had up until that point, chose the best course of action.

As for knowing their technology Stark said, after examining their sub, that Hydra's technology was past anything he'd ever seen despite being one of the smartest men in the world. Since Stark said that, I'm inclined to think that Cap wouldn't be much more informed.

As for Zola, he was a scientist. Overseeing equipment and men would be right up his alley. He wasn't in the field, he was on a train en route.

As for the Howling Commandos, I thought it was kinda obvious that Cap's attack was a diversion. He drew their attention, while the Commandos came in to attack from the top, while the army outside hit them at the bottom.

Ya know, for someone so obsessed with logistics, you seem to pay little attention to them.
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[identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com 2011-12-17 04:39 (UTC)(link)
"You are simultaneously claiming that the airplane is far too derelict and dangerous to even fly over populated areas, and yet if left unchecked will fly of its own accord from the arctic ocean to America to start blowing stuff up."

No I'm not. I'm simply saying that Cap didn't know enough either way and therefor had no reason to risk an American version of the Doolittle raid. Hell, all the plane would need to do to kill thousands would be to crash into a few high rises, it was locked into New York, still armed and the only control Cap had over it was to make it go up or down (we see him uselessly working other switches).

So yeah, Cap's decision was sound.

As for the train, there's no indication that it was a trap set by Zola. You're probably thinking of the scene before that, where Red Skull is pissed that Zola can't stop Cap, to which Zola replies he is simply a scientist. In that same scene, we hear Red Skull rant about how Cap is delaying his plans for his final offensive.

Lastly, Cap's attack acts as a diversion because Red Skull's attention is focused on him. And when the allies launch their final attack, they've already got their best man inside.

That's not to say there aren't issues with the movie, but you seem to be ignoring what was shown in the movie itself for your complaints.
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[personal profile] sadoeuphemist 2011-12-17 04:47 (UTC)(link)
I am saying that Cap didn't think the plane was going to crash, or was too risky to fly over populated areas. He never did. This is something you made up on your own. He never mentions it, never talks about it, his sole concern is that the plane will go on its way and blow up America. Now you're making up the excuse that he could only make it go up or down (because that's what switches do, right, steer a plane?) I don't know if he could really turn it around, because guess what? He never tried!

Look, I don't remember if they were sent there to capture Zola or not, but the indication that it was a trap was that it was full of armed guards and nothing valuable on board except Zola. If they weren't after him, then yes it was a trap.

Cap's attack doesn't work as a diversion because who cares about Red Skull? Red Skull is not guarding the base. Red Skull is not in charge of sounding alarms. He is the boss, there are flunkies that do that stuff. They don't need to have their best man on the inside (captured, needing to be freed) because he can come in through Red Skull's window with the rest of them!

[identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com 2011-12-17 14:09 (UTC)(link)
"I don't know if he could really turn it around, because guess what? He never tried!"

Yes he did. We see him fiddling with the controls, and say things aren't good. Then he sees that the aircraft is still armed, heading to New York but currently over uninhabited land.

"Look, I don't remember if they were sent there to capture Zola or not, but the indication that it was a trap was that it was full of armed guards and nothing valuable on board except Zola. If they weren't after him, then yes it was a trap".

The presence of armed guards, during war time, means a trap? Riiiiight.

Zola was transporting equipment, and those guards were protecting him and it. Just before they jump on the train, it's established that Zola, Hydra's scientist, is in a big hurry.

As for Cap, his attack had them focused on him, at the expense of everyone else. He softened them up and isolated Hydra from their commander. Not a text book diversion, no, but the tactics are sound.

I'm curious, have you seen the actual movie, or are you working off a summary?

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[personal profile] sadoeuphemist 2011-12-17 04:48 (UTC)(link)
Holy christ I completely hosed up the comments here because I wasn't sure about the Zola thing, sorry.
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[personal profile] sadoeuphemist 2011-12-17 04:17 (UTC)(link)
You are simultaneously claiming that the airplane is far too derelict and dangerous to even fly over populated areas, and yet if left unchecked will fly of its own accord from the arctic ocean to America to start blowing stuff up. That's ridiculous. You have given up trying to explain why crashing it would be the best course of action, even from Captain America's standpoint, and are now simply claiming it as a fact. Captain America sees the plane still flies normally, the best course of action for him would be to try and land it somewhere safe.

How is it not possible for Stark to explain to Captain America, "hey you know those weird energy weapons that you come into contact with on an almost constant basis as part of your job; here's a list of things that will cause them to blow up killing everyone, try to avoid those."

How on earth would Cap's attack be a diversion when they didn't even attack at the same time? They waited until Cap was captured and the soldiers went back to their places, so it was completely and utterly useless to the point that the sole thing it did was risk Captain America's death for no good reason.

You are the one obsessed with logistics here: I am trying to argue it was a story poorly told and you keep bringing in bullshit like oh no you can't fly from the arctic to a flat landmass without passing over populated areas. You want to hear logistics? Here's what Red Skull could have done to have won the war: absolutely nothing. Just stay in the secret base the whole time and get his planes ready. Let Captain America capture all the other bases he wants, because apparently this has zero effect on Red Skull's plans. Just keep Armin Zola with you, don't do a damn thing to try and stop Captain America, because seriously, none of it matters and this whole movie is a pointless waste of time.

[identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com 2011-12-17 04:40 (UTC)(link)
You are simultaneously claiming that the airplane is far too derelict and dangerous to even fly over populated areas, and yet if left unchecked will fly of its own accord from the arctic ocean to America to start blowing stuff up."

No I'm not. I'm simply saying that Cap didn't know enough either way and therefor had no reason to risk an American version of the Doolittle raid. Hell, all the plane would need to do to kill thousands would be to crash into a few high rises, it was locked into New York, still armed and the only control Cap had over it was to make it go up or down (we see him uselessly working other switches).

So yeah, Cap's decision was sound.

As for the train, there's no indication that it was a trap set by Zola. You're probably thinking of the scene before that, where Red Skull is pissed that Zola can't stop Cap, to which Zola replies he is simply a scientist. In that same scene, we hear Red Skull rant about how Cap is delaying his plans for his final offensive.

Lastly, Cap's attack acts as a diversion because Red Skull's attention is focused on him. And when the allies launch their final attack, they've already got their best man inside.

That's not to say there aren't issues with the movie, but you seem to be ignoring what was shown in the movie itself for your complaints.
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[personal profile] sadoeuphemist 2011-12-17 04:30 (UTC)(link)
Re: Armin Zola, the train thing was a trap, right? It was an ambush for Captain America. I think that's what it was, rendering Zola's presence there utterly pointless, but sources on the internet disagree and I can't remember what the point of attacking that train was to begin with.

[identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com 2011-12-17 04:41 (UTC)(link)
"I can't remember what the point of attacking that train was to begin with."

...yet that doesn't stop you from complaining ;)

The fact that it was a Hydra train should be enough, I'd think, but before mission launch they confirmed that Zola was on the train. So they went after him.