Carnage USA #1

[cyberghostface]

So good ol' Carnage is back (now with bionic legs) and is spreading his chaos in a small town. Spidey (along with the Thing, Captain America, Hawkeye and Wolverine) are sent to take care of them.







(Double-page that I had to cut down, obviously)

Comments

[freezer]

1) I am severly behind on my Avenger knowledge so I have no idea when Hawkeye became that willing (eager even) to take a kill shot.

2) Why did Cap stop him from taking the shot (well, besides the high probability that it wouldn't work)?

[shadowpsykie]

wasn't hawkeye one of the ones who was always willing to kill if the need be? (plus carnage is holding a baby)

[tammy_moore]

In Ultimates. Not so much in the regular universe - wasn't that what broke him and Mockingbird up the first time? He couldn't accept her killing/letting die the Phantom Rider?

[shadowpsykie]

Hmmmm you are right .. But I did notice he had changed, maybe around disassembled. He also seems to have forgotten he was a villain turned hero*rolls eyes* (avengers academy)

[long_silence]

He was also okay with the slaughter of Purifiers in Avengers Academy.

Ever since Clint died and came back, Bendis has been writing him a lot more blood thirsty. Killing Hand ninjas, skrulls, attempting to kill Osborn. It's completely out of character but well it's Bendis. And Gage seems to be following Bendis' lead.

[schala_kid]

I've noticed that too, not to mention they're having him do a lot of black ops stuff and his new outfit resembles Ultimate Hawkeye's a lot.

It's like they're forgetting his former-villain circus background and replacing it with the movie/ultimate SHIELD assasin one.

Even the Avengers cartoon had him as a SHIELD agent.

[eyz]

I just love having Crain back on symbiote-related art! :D

[intertobamf]

Is Scorn new? Isn't Scream still around?

[long_silence]

Scorn is new. She was a psychiatrist for Shriek from the last Carnage miniseries. The Carnage symbiote was used to replace her amputated arm, but then it decided to go back to Cletus and left behind a spawn that she eventually bonded with.

[hybrid2]

Hybrid!

They remembered him.

Suck they forgot Scream.

[biod]

My mind, it's blown!

[cainofdreaming]

Is "hacked" an acronym, or does that secret army database's security just suck?

[rainspirit]

Anti-Venom will hopefully be fun to see in this.

[darkknightjrk]

I don't think that's going to happen--Eddie got the Anti-Venom stuff sucked out of him during Spider-Island.

[arilou_skiff]

Awww... Anti-venom was such a stupid concept that somehow worked. I'll miss it.

[pyrotwilight]

He did? Welp there goes the one thing after One More Day that actually managed to work, if only by accident. *Sigh*

[pyrotwilight]

Though I guess given the 5 shown they might have a way to restore Anti-Venom to help fight Carnage. He'd actually be pretty good at it since he can apparently kill Symbiotes with a touch.

[qalchemist]

It does say 'INACTIVE' under him, maybe that explains it.

It'd be nice if they restored it, though. I kinda liked Antivenom.

[remial]

ok, I get that he needs bionic legs because he got ripped in half by the Sentry, but why would you give a murderous psychopath bionic legs if your long term goal is to keep said psycho locked up for the rest of his life?

even if he DOES have super powers, that just seems like dropping the idiot ball to me.

[dr_archeville]

Does he even need bionic legs? Couldn't the Symbiote just sprout new legs/tentacles for him?

[mrstatham]

I dunno. The exact specifics of what one can do seem to vary wildly. I mean, here, it's just coating the Avengers in symbiote-gunk, but we've seen in the case of Venom that a symbiote can really, really pump someone's muscle mass up, even though Brock was already pretty muscular. So it's a bit of a weird one. Perhaps the symbiote needs flesh to adhere to. *shrugs*.

[intertobamf]

There's Flash, the current Venom, who doesn't have legs below his knees. The symbiote seems to give him legs just fine.

[tacobob]

He actually had more than his legs torn off. He's got that metal all the way to his navel..Ouch.

[tammy_moore]

Well, he got bionic bits when he wasn't connected to the symbiote. Why he keeps them...forward planning for when they take the symbiote off him and he ends up depowered and back in jail again? I mean, from the extent of his injuries, they probably aren't just legs but some sort of life-support as well?

Wait...

[silverzeo]

Isn't Toxin a clone, a rather pointless clone from the Clone Saga?

Re: Wait...

[e_307]

Naw. The Toxin Symbiote is the spawn of the Carnage Symbiote.

[mullon]

I don't get why you would bring that team to take down Carnage? I don't get why Spidey doesn't have Human Torch and Firestar on speed dial for when Carnage escapes.

[arilou_skiff]

Presumably because symbiotes are resistant to symbiote possession somehow?

[kd_the_movie]

Welp the Torch is still probably "dead" round this time and who knows if he can get ahold of Firestar easily.

Guess it was easier to yell "Avengers Assemble" and be done with it.

[outlawpoet]

It is kind of brain-dead to go "let's throw the symbiots at each other". The Symbiotes have two canonical weaknesses, fire and sonic, so why not just grab a hulkbuster unit with shock cannons and flamethrowers and be done with it.
I think the Marvel Universe has had superheroes headlining for so long they've kind of forgotten how to solve problems other than 'get somebody who can punch it'.

[arxh]

If anything, take Tony with you. Im sure Stark can figure out a way or two to fire sonics at it.

[long_silence]

It looks like Spidey only brought Avengers with him. Johnny's dead at this point and god knows what's going on with Firestar these days.

He did tell the Thing to bring a sonic cannon from the Baxter Building though.

Probably should have brought Ms. Marvel at least. Can't think of many current Avengers with sonic or fire powers.

[glprime]

MORE symbiote storylines? Pass.

[pyrotwilight]

I tend to love them myself. Well, as long as they don't have Carnage anyway. He's just so blandily boring.

[ninjapeps]

who are Hybrid and Scorn?

[pyrotwilight]

Don't know Scorn well (one of the above comments seems to explain her).

Hybrid however was originally something like 5 or 6 symbiotes made at one point as a way to perfect Venom I think but they didn't work out until they combined into one aka Hybrid who is a hero like Toxin.